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Old 02-20-2005, 09:38 PM
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I have a tenative deal to purchase a 34 yellowfin with triple suzukis.I love the lines on the boat,and it looks like the ride would be fantastic. Is the ride all its cracked up to be?How is the fit and finish?I plan on making 80 plus mile runs,and want to know this boat can handle ugly conditions.
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I was on all of the YFs at Miami and was not impressed. They use strap hinges in places where piano hinges would be better. Hardware in general was mediocre (especially compared to the SeaVee). The deck of Mr Delph's boat felt spongy in several places. Aside form all of that, I'd never buy a boat with fuel tanks that were part of the hull structure...not particularly safe (in fact illegal if inboard engines are used), no real weight savings, just no reason for it. On top of that, the rigging access plates looked sloppy (glued in place?), and the overall impression was not at all what I'd expect from a boat that wants to claim itself as the gold standard.

Unless you really need the speed, I'd say go for a SeaVee or SeaMaster. The SeaMaster was not quite up to the SeaVee standard, but was a much nicer unit than the YF.

BTW, I'm a cat guy, so I have no dog in this fight. I specifically looked at the SeaVee, Contender, SeaMaster, and Yellowfin to compare them side by side and the YF and Contender don't hold a candle. I do however have a pair of the Zuke DF2509s and I am really pleased with them. No gadgetry, just solid power and performance with great mileage.

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[quote]Harry Brosofsky - 2/20/2005 10:05 PM

I was on all of the YFs at Miami and was not impressed. They use strap hinges in places where piano hinges would be better. Hardware in general was mediocre (especially compared to the SeaVee). The deck of Mr Delph's boat felt spongy in several places. Aside form all of that, I'd never buy a boat with fuel tanks that were part of the hull structure...not particularly safe (in fact illegal if inboard engines are used), no real weight savings, just no reason for it. On top of that, the rigging access plates looked sloppy (glued in place?), and the overall impression was not at all what I'd expect from a boat that wants to claim itself as the gold standard.

what a joke. give it up already. we know how you feel. now get a life! you'd think that some YF owners would complain at this point if your points had any validity.
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Hardware in general was mediocre (especially compared to the SeaVee).
Hardware on the SeaVee was one reason I stayed away. Use of 304SS when 316 is called for...makes rust weeping all too common. Not sure if that's the fasteners or just the washers, but they weep. Rod holders and T-tops made by some small Hialeah manufacturer, still good quality but lacking the name recognition of Lee's and Birdsall raises questions. Reported (unconfirmed) history of weld breaks on T-tops. And the plastic hatch latch rings on the smaller models doesn't compare to YF's Gemlux hardware. One of the reasons I purchased a Whitewater was due to the hardware and accessories like leaning post and T-top, which are top of the line. That stuff matters.
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Not again!, Harry do you just wait to see a YF post and try to bash them as much as you can?

As far as the ride, I have owned three YF's(a 34 open now) and NOTHING is a better HIGH SPEED ride in seas. On all of my boats I never saw ONE gellcoat crack and never had any problems with the fuel tanks.

We regularly make runs in the 100 to 130 mile range and with F225's we have more than enough range, I'm sure you'll be happy with the Zukes.

As far as fit and finish, and ride for that matter, you be the judge. Don't let some guy that for some reason has a hard-on for YF's change your mind.(do a search on Harry's posts and you'll see what I mean) Get on the boat and see for yourself. If you're ever in the Clearwater area, I'll be happy to take you for a ride. The boat speaks for itself!

Harry, get a life man.
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Auburn,

I did not ask about the grade of stainless they used, and my onservation is about the beefiness and functionality not about grade. 304 may indeed weep more than 316, but that has as much to do with the grade as the finishing. I did get a chance to look at the Whitewater and it also appeared very well built and solid. Of the brands I looked at, SeaVee, SeaMaster, and Whitewater all looked very well put together, while YF and Contender had a lot of shortcuts, sloppy details, etc.

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I don't have a hard on for YF...in fact, I could care less about them. I'm pointing out observations I made by doing a side by side comparison of the boats at the show. The YF hardware looks wimpy, construction details are sloppy (like the deck plates, wiring under the gunwales, and non-pattern non-skid), layout was not as nice, etc. Add to that the fact that integral fuel tanks for gasoline are just stupid, and it makes the overall package very unappealing to me. Then again, I'm more concerned about quality and design than speed...if that's your thing, enjoy your Yellowfin. That's MY opinion, and since I don't own either brand, it is not influenced by misplaced brand loyalty like yours.

BTW, I don't comment on every YF post..for example I didn't post on the thread that had pics of that assinine quad motor setup on the black YF.

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Interesting observation, regardless of how unpopular it might be. When I toured the YF factory last year I didn't leave with the same impression (Gemlux latches, stainless thru-hulls, nothing plastic) but I was focused on the 23 and didn't look at the larger models. Last year Wylie sported his new flats boat that turned out to have been rushed for the show and largely unfinished...I wonder if the model(s) you saw were under the same circumstances. I believe the difference between these high-end boats are the details like hardware/rigging, I believe its a valid indicator of the quality throughout the boat that might not be readily evident.
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Harry,
I try to be professional and keep my mouth shut most of the time but in this case I just can't do it.

First of all you admit you’re a "Cat Guy". That, and the fact that you are clearly ignorant, should preclude you from giving your opinions but unfortunately they have not banned you from the forum, yet.

Second: You clearly know nothing about hardware. Sea Vee, Yellowfin, Contender, and so on all buy hardware from us. They all care very much about the quality of the hardware. They all push us to make better products all the time.

There is a distinct difference between what you call "Strap hinges" and Piano hinges. Both have their applications but generally the entire industry prefers individual hinges to Piano hinges. Piano hinges are Cheaper, Have a pin that sticks up and can cut your feet, and have twenty times more screws that can rattle out because there is no way to put backing nuts on them. I can assure you that the hardware used on the Yellowfin’s is the finest made in the industry.

In case you are not aware there is a rule at the Miami show that prohibits boat builders from bringing boats that have gas in them. Because of this rule all builders who want to comply must bring New boats. It is for this reason and this reason alone that some boats may look "unfinished" at the show. Production builders are more likely to have finished models sitting around. Non-production builders must bring what they have done, or even near done. I can assure you that each of these companies ships quality products to their end use customers.

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boats that run in the front of the pack cannot afford to use cheap hardware or cut corners.

did you ever notice all of the YF owners complaining about how often things break on their boats?????

the proof is in the results
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The Hells Bay 27 seemed to me as a used boat. Had reg. numbers and scratched lower units.
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I do not own a Yellowfin and have no plans to purchase one anytime soon. However, I have been on my fair share of CCs, including a 31 YF, and can say that it is a very well-built boat, with great hardware, and what I consider to be a very fishable and well thought-out layout (the latter is subjective, so feel free to disagree - don't buy the boat if you don't like it).

Harry, I WILL actually agree with you on one minor point. I don't like the deck plates to the fuel tanks. The way they're installed, you have to cut the caulk out and remove them which seems a little finicky just to check a fuel transducer. However, they do sit flush with the deck without and indentations or grooves to catch fish guts and chum bits.

But, Harry, I strenuously disagree with your comment about the integral fuel tanks. You've been ranting about these for months now (I believe there was a stand-alone thread on the YF tanks), and, while you're certainly entitled to your opinion (and to voice it), all of your whining on this board, in MY opinion, has caused you to lose quite a bit of credibility (which is a bit of a shame b/c I do remember a few instances where you've offered some good advice). One point you persistently make is that the integral fuel tanks are "illegal with inboard engines." I don't know whether this is true or not, but assuming it is, it only strengthens the argument that they ARE safe for outboards. Otherwise, it would be illegal to use them with OBs as well. The law you cite regarding inboard engines indicates that lawmakers understand the potential risks of integral fuel tanks, and the specificity of the law only as to inboards would seem to imply that they do not pose similar risks (whatever those may be) with respect to outboards. Moreover, simply because that law exists, it does not imply that it was enacted because of the perceived risk associated with integral tanks. I don't know what the reason for the law is, but maybe it has to do with the ground necessary when using an inboard versus an outboard. I'm probably wrong with that example, but my point is that it's not necessarily because of safety risks, but rather the design or installation of an inboard versus outboard that may create the risk and necessitate a law only for inboards. Just because you need a blower for an inboard engine doesn't imply that aluminum tanks are unsafe for an outboard, right?

Bottom line is that I would buy a YF in a heartbeat if the opportunity arose. And please Harry, if you're going to reply, let me know the law or regulation to which you refer. Also use facts to support your assertions or otherwise state that your just making an assumption - whether based on experience or otherwise. That way people can judge for themselves.
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Are you being sarcastic about yellowfin owners complaints.Most of what I hear is very positive.
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dean, yes i am.

to your original question, this boat is considered to be a beast. there is a guy "gozpeed" on this site. he has written extensively about the vessel. i have not been on one.


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Yes the Hells Bay was used. I presume they either drained all tanks, filters, engines, etc. or they broke the rule.
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I owned a Yellowfin, and loved it and your components, but really don’t think you, as a manufacture should ridicule someone for the type of boat they own.

Not very professional remark from a quality company like Gemlux!
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Its not uncommon at all to see not-new boats at the show, in fact Yellowfin had at least one. Whitewater's show boat is new for this year but the one they bring typically has a few hours on it.

In defense of Harry (not that he needs/wants my input), based on what I've read on this forum and his old days on FS I have a great deal of respect for his knowledge of boat-related subjects as well as eye for technical detail. I don't see any disprespect being dished out, only observations that may or may not be accurate. Sometimes an observation isn't well received and not sugar-coated, so its perceived as unfair criticism. Its in fact refreshing to read a no-punches-pulled recount of a boat that, just like all others, isn't perfect. If I were a prospective YF buyer (which in the future I may be) I would definitely look into those attributes brought into question and make up my own mind.
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Gemlux,

I've been to your website and seen that there are literally dozens of different pieces of varying quality and purpose. Your company makes both very high quality stuff and some moderate quality stuff. My worldcat uses Gemlux extensively and the hardware on it all seems to be up to the task. All the lids have piano hinges, yet somehow none of them manage to stick up above deck to catch anyone's toes. And yes, they do have more screws, which means more labor. But they are also much more resistant to springing than strap hinges. As for the boat I was on, it is Mr Delph's (his name is on the side) and I beleive it was delivered a while back, though I cannot confirm this. The large in deck box had a lid about 4.5-5 feet long and was secured with 2 strap hinges. The lid was very heavy (in fact, the gas assists could not lif the lid without help). I guarantee I could have sprung the hinges with one twist...regardless of what brand they are.

Anyone looking at both the SeaVee 34 and the YF 36 could see the difference in the latches, hinges, general finish, attention to detail, etc.

As for the fact that I am a cat owner...that hardly makes me ignorant of quality. I'm an engineer by education and feel pretty qualified to make a judgement about the security of 2 strap hinges compared to a full length piano hinge. I've also owned several monohulls and I've been on boats my entire life. My only pioint in bringing it up is to point out that I am not affiliated with either brand.

As for the inductry preferring piano hinges, it is more likey due to less labor than anything else. BTW, my piano hinges are all through bolted on both sides. Perhaps Yellowfin is unable to design a boat with proper access for bolting hinges, but Worldcat seems to manage. Also, I'd be curious to know if the YF hinges are secured at the deck side with wood screws as opposed to through bolting...I didn't bother to even look for that, so maybe a YF owner can confirm or deny that.

No fuel rule not withstanding, SeaVee, Sea Master, and many others managed to turn out very well prepared boats, some of which I know for a fact were not just rushed out of the factory. Yet another reason to avoid YF...they can't seem to manage their build schedule very well if they have to rush unfishined boats to the show.

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National Fire Code. I don't have the exact rule number. I believe it is also in the ABYC rules and the USCG rules, but that is just an assumption. It is definitely in the NFC though...I've read it with my own eyes. As for the reason why integral fiberglass gasoline tanks are allowed for OBs and not for IBs...there's no spark below decks with an OB. Apparently the feds feel there's enough of a risk of fumes or leaks that they won't allow them with IBs. BTW, I've mentioned the source before, so nect time, before assuming, do a little search.

Auburn,

Thanks for the words. BTW, this same topic (and Gary Collechio's on sided moderation) is the EXACT reason I forced them to ban me at FS. Gary kept deleting my non-flame, factually supported posts, whle allowing others to flame, name call, etc. When I called him on it he deleted that post as well, so I flooded the site until they banned me. I've been approached by two moderators there asking if I wanted them to try to get me back in (both times the guys cited the same thing you have...well supported and non-empotional arguments), but I will not go back as long as Collechio is a moderator.

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Dean,

I know the boat your buying and have fished on it a few times. The boat is built like a tank and does truly run great. I've been out on that boat in some slop, 3-5's - 6-8's and she will run. At no time did I feel unsafe in that boat. We were trolling off of Morehead for giants a few weeks ago. The motors are quiet and are plenty of power to push the boat as fast as you can hang on to. I fish out of Shark River as well so I know the 80+ mile runs you'll be taking. I will be fishing on that boat again before you take her over and if you don't buy it I might. Give me a buzz if you have any questions. You'll be very happy with it.

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I have been on several YF's being that i am a very good friend of Robert Trosset's son Chris. I have ben on there 31 and a 34 YF. They have to be the best riding, built boat i have ever been on. If i had the money to buy a YF i would do it in a heartbeat. Thats just my 2 cents. So if i were you i would by the 34, they are a fantastic boat.
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Drop me an e-mail,or call me at my office 732.842.8686
I would like to talk to you about the boat.
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