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Is this true? If this is true, even though my Merc has been flawless, I will NEVER buy another. I just don't believe we should have to compete with slave labor.
Apparently, Merc's expanded Japanese plant and new plant in China are near completion. This will supposedly improve their margins. On the link, scroll down to the last paragraph in the Marine Engine Segment:
I asked the Merc guy that was here for the boat show about this, he said the China plant is for 15 horsepower and under, the Japenese plant was for up to 115, and anything above 115 and all Verados are made in the USA.
I ***DON'T*** know if this is true, that's just what his answer was.
Gee, I wonder where Yamaha builds its engines......let's take a look at what is posted on Yamaha's website.* OMG.........I am never going to buy one of their products again!*
China
CHONGQING JIANSHE YAMAHA MOTOR CO., LTD. (CJYM)
Chongqing City, Sichuan
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
China
CHONGQING PINGSHAN TK CARBURETOR CO., LTD. (PTK)
Chongqing City, Sichuan
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycle engine carburetors.
China
HAINAN KADAYA BOAT MANUFACTURING CO., LTD.
Haikou City, Hainan
Marketing of outboard motors; manufacture and marketing of FRP boats.
China
JIANGSU LINHAI YAMAHA MOTOR CO., LTD. (LYM)
Taizhou City, Jiangsu
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles and engines.
China
SICHUAN HUACHUAN YAMAHA MOTOR PARTS MANUFACTURING CO., LTD. (SHY)
Chengdu City, Sichuan
Manufacture and marketing of electrical components for motorcycles.
China
YAMAHA JIANSHE MOTOR SHANGHAI MARKETING CO., LTD. (YMSM)
Shanghai City
Marketing of Yamaha-brand motorcycles made in China, and after-sales service and marketing of parts for those products.
China
YAMAHA MOTOR R&D SHANGHAI CO., LTD. (YMRS)
Shanghai City
Planning and development of motorcycles.
China
YAMAHA MOTOR (SHANGHAI) TRADING CO., LTD. (YMST)
Shanghai City
Marketing of outboard motors, personal watercraft and parts.
China
YAMAHA MOTOR (SUZHOU) CO., LTD. (YMSC)
Suzhou City, Jiangsu
Parts development; outsourcing of production; processing of parts.
China
YAMAHA MOTOR TAIZHOU O.P.E. COMPANY LIMITED
Taizhou City, Jiangsu
Manufacture of multi-purpose engines.
China
ZHUZHOU JIANSHE YAMAHA MOTOR COMPANY LIMITED (ZJYM)
Zhuzhou City, Hunan
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
China
ZHUZHOU NANFANG YAMAHA SHOCK-ABSORBER CO., LTD. (NYS)
Zhuzhou City, Hunan
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycle suspensions.
India
YAMAHA MOTOR INDIA PVT. LTD. (YMI)
Faridabad
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
Indonesia
P.T. YAMAHA INDONESIA MOTOR MANUFACTURING (YIMM)
Jakarta
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
Indonesia
P.T. YAMAHA MOTOR KENCANA INDONESIA (YMKI)
Jakarta
Marketing of motorcycles.
Indonesia
P.T. YAMAHA MOTOR NUANSA INDONESIA (YMNI)
Jakarta
Manufacture and marketing of water purifiers.
Indonesia
P.T.YAMAHA MOTOR PARTS MANUFACTURING INDONESIA (YPMI)
Java Barat
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycle parts.
Malaysia
HICOM YAMAHA MANUFACTURING MALAYSIA SDN. BHD. (HYMM)
Selangor
Manufacture of motorcycle engines.
Malaysia
HONG LEONG YAMAHA DISTRIBUTORS SDN. BHD. (HLYD)
Selagor Darui Ehsan
Marketing of motorcycles.
Malaysia
HONG LEONG YAMAHA MOTOR SDN. BHD. (HLYM)
Selagor Darui Ehsan
Manufacture of motorcycles.
Malaysia
HL YAMAHA MOTOR RESEARCH CENTER SDN. BHD. (HLYR)
Selangor
Research and development of motorcycles.
Pakistan
DAWOOD YAMAHA LTD. (DYL)
Karachi
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
Singapore
YAMAHA MOTOR ASIA PTE. LTD. (YMAP)
SIA Building
Financing center for Asia production bases.
Singapore
YAMAHA MOTOR DISTRIBUTION SINGAPORE PTE. LTD. (YDS)
SIA Building
Distribution of spare parts and accessories.
Thailand
THAI YAMAHA MOTOR CO., LTD. (TYM)
Samutprakarn
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
Thailand
YAMAHA MOTOR ASIAN CENTER CO., LTD. (YMAC)
Bangkok
Regional headquarters in ASEAN countries.
Taiwan
MORIC TAIWAN CO., LTD.
Tao-Yuan Hsien.
Manufacture and marketing of electrical parts for motorcycles.
Taiwan
YAMAHA MOTOR R&D TAIWAN CO., LTD. (YMRT)
Chunli
Research and development of motorcycles.
Taiwan
YAMAHA MOTOR TAIWAN CO., LTD. (YMT)
Chunli
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles.
Taiwan
YAMAHA MOTOR TAIWAN TRADING CO., LTD. (YMTT)
Taipei
Export of motorcycles.
Vietnam
YAMAHA MOTOR VIETNAM CO., LTD. (YMVN)
Soc Son District, Hanoi
Manufacture and marketing of motorcycles
I wonder where Suzuki builds it engines?....let's take a stroll around the internet and see if we can answer that question.* OMG....I am never going to buy one of those engines either.
•HYOSUNG MOTORS & MACHINERY INC.China[CHINA SOUTH INDUSTRIES CORPORATION]
****•CHONGQING CHANGAN SUZUKI AUTOMOBILE CO., LTD.
CHONGQING CHANGAN SUZUKI AUTOMOBILE CO., LTD. (China)[CHINA AVIATION INDUSTRY CORPORATION II]
****•JIANGXI CHANGHE SUZUKI AUTOMOBILE CO.,LTD.
[CHINA AVIATION INDUSTRY CORPORATION I]
****•NANJING JINCHENG SUZUKI MOTORCYCLE CO., LTD.
•JINAN QINGQI SUZUKI MOTORCYCLE CO., LTD.
•DACHANGJIANG MOTORCYCLE CO., LTD. Taiwan•PRINCE MOTORS CO., LTD.
•FORD LIO HO MOTOR CO., LTD.
•TAILING MOTOR CO., LTD. *Philippines•SUZUKI PHILIPPINES INC.*Thailand•SIAM INTERNATIONAL CORP., LTD.
•THAI SUZUKI MOTOR CO., LTD.
THAI SUZUKI MOTOR CO., LTD.(Thailand)Cambodia•CAMBODIA SUZUKI MOTOR CO., LTD.*Vietnam•VIETNAM SUZUKI CORP.*Myanmar•MYANMAR SUZUKI MOTOR CO., LTD.*Indonesia•P.T. INDOMOBILE SUZUKI INTERNATIONAL
P.T. INDOMOBIL SUZUKI INTERNATIONAL(Indonesia)Malaysia•LION SUZUKI MOTOR SDN, BHD.
•SUZUKI ASSEMBLERS MALAYSIA SDN, BHD.India•MARUTI UDYOG LTD.
MARUTI UDYOG LTD. (India) Pakistan•PAK SUZUKI MOTOR CO., LTD.
•SUZUKI MOTORCYCLES PAKISTAN LTD.
PAK SUZUKI MOTOR CO., LTD. (Pakistan)
The biggest difference is that Yamaha and Suzuki isnt waving the flag. We all know they used Japanese powerheads whenever possible and quote american made.
HHBC - 2/14/2005 8:09 AM The biggest difference is that Yamaha and Suzuki isnt waving the flag. We all know they used Japanese powerheads whenever possible and quote american made.
Let me see if I understand the anti-Merc sentiments.* Since Merc is a US company and they are doing business with China (the world's most abusive human rights violator) then this company is bad.* On the other hand, if you aren't a US company and do business with China then they get a pass.* Even thought the nuts and screws on a Yamaha engine were tightened by a child laborer we shouldn't feel badly since the parent company is based in Japan.* Moreover, we should forget the fact that Yamaha sells all of its products domestically through a very large company - Yamaha US, Inc.* Furthermore, Merc should stand up on principles and let the non-US companies take advantage of the cheap labor markets in third world communist countries and run Merc out of business.* Is this the Big Picture?*
HHBC - 2/14/2005 8:09 AM The biggest difference is that Yamaha and Suzuki isnt waving the flag. We all know they used Japanese powerheads whenever possible and quote american made.
Let me see if I understand the anti-Merc sentiments.* Since Merc is a US company and they are doing business with China (the world's most abusive human rights violator) then this company is bad.* On the other hand, if you aren't a US company and do business with China then they get a pass.* Even thought the nuts and screws on a Yamaha engine were tightened by a child laborer we shouldn't feel badly since the parent company is based in Japan.* Moreover, we should forget the fact that Yamaha sells all of its products domestically through a very large company - Yamaha US, Inc.* Furthermore, Merc should stand up on principles and let the non-US companies take advantage of the cheap labor markets in third world communist countries and run Merc out of business.* Is this the Big Picture?*
As someone said, instead of making the competition fair with tarriffs, we are sold out. Merc and other US companies can't compete with slave labor. As far as other manufacturers I'm not buying their products either. I would rather buy an outboard made as close to home as possible. I guess you really don't care until it hits home. I will be losing my job very soon due to production being shifted to other slave labor countries including China. So will numerous management, engineers, truck drivers, janitors, etc, etc, etc. The sad part of it is any money a company saves by outsourcing goes into the CEO's and Board's pockets. Don't worry, outsourcing will eventually affect you, then you will care.
Merc is already building components in Mexico and Belgium.......and those are just the ones they do not procure...this is the way the world economy works now...over 1/2 of the world's cranes for major construction are in China......the amount of industrial facilities being built there is staggering.....let's just hope all of this economic infrastructure creates a middle class there soon....
So, if you want to buy something made in the US of A only........it will have to be @ 20 years old.......
and ironically, you can buy a 20 year old in China for about the same price as a 1982 Evinrude 115.....
It would be nearly impossible for us to limit our purchases (boating and non-boating) these days to products made in the USA. For sure if we could they would be far more expensive than they are now.
As someone said, instead of making the competition fair with tarriffs, we are sold out. Merc and other US companies can't compete with slave labor. As far as other manufacturers I'm not buying their products either. I would rather buy an outboard made as close to home as possible. I guess you really don't care until it hits home. I will be losing my job very soon due to production being shifted to other slave labor countries including China. So will numerous management, engineers, truck drivers, janitors, etc, etc, etc. The sad part of it is any money a company saves by outsourcing goes into the CEO's and Board's pockets. Don't worry, outsourcing will eventually affect you, then you will care.
I am sorry that you are losing your job, but I do not think it is fair to necessarily blame it on a CEO or board. A CEO's job has to be tough. I do not think a lot of these guys want to make this decision. There are a number of those hubristic type CEO's like Dennis Kawslaowski, who I hope gets raped in prison, but most of them are in a posistion to make decisions that affect a lot of lives, but are necessary for a companies survival. I know each situation is unique, but ironically, a lot of the trade laws with China were relaxed with the help of a President that was staunchly supported by Organized Labor...
Merc. in China. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that all the U.S. is doing is helping to build up foreign countries so that one day the U.S. will not have a thing job wise to offer to the coming generations. This is not only outboard motors, but everything from cars to tractors. I think we need to take care of our own people so they can buy the things they need just to survive.
We are on the low end of the trade agreement.
Yes, I need a motor for my boat, and yes I bought one with a China connection. Just wish the U.S. would compete with our own technology and yes there would be a price to pay.
I am truly sorry about your situation.* I am not a fan of doing business with China.* I wish our government was a great deal firmer when dealing*with that sweat shop.* I will also reserve all comments on which friggin administration was responsible for letting this*debacle get so out of hand.* My only point was let's not fool ourselves into believing Merc is the only one doing business over there.* They all do business over there and I would say the Japanese based companies source a far greater amount of product from that human rights abusing communist regime.* I applaud your principles when you stated you wouldn't buy any product that comes from that shiatty country.* Now that is a position I understand and respect.* I hope you can find employment ASAP.* Good luck and I apologize if my remarks offended you given your current situation.
crackerasscracker - 2/14/2005 8:40 AM
the amount of industrial facilities being built there is staggering.....let's just hope all of this economic infrastructure creates a middle class there soon....
"all animals are equal...but some animals are more equal than others"
-George Orwell, Animal Farm
unfortunately history tells us that all that infrastructure is more likely to further polarize the ruling class and the peasants, and strengthen the position of those in power. all that land, all those resources, all those workers, complete control of information and market partners, and a steady roster of "enemies" to keep the populace focused...
don't know about yall, but that makes me uneasy...
As someone said, instead of making the competition fair with tarriffs, we are sold out. Merc and other US companies can't compete with slave labor. As far as other manufacturers I'm not buying their products either. I would rather buy an outboard made as close to home as possible. I guess you really don't care until it hits home. I will be losing my job very soon due to production being shifted to other slave labor countries including China. So will numerous management, engineers, truck drivers, janitors, etc, etc, etc. The sad part of it is any money a company saves by outsourcing goes into the CEO's and Board's pockets. Don't worry, outsourcing will eventually affect you, then you will care.
I am sorry that you are losing your job, but I do not think it is fair to necessarily blame it on a CEO or board. A CEO's job has to be tough. I do not think a lot of these guys want to make this decision. There are a number of those hubristic type CEO's like Dennis Kawslaowski, who I hope gets raped in prison, but most of them are in a posistion to make decisions that affect a lot of lives, but are necessary for a companies survival. I know each situation is unique, but ironically, a lot of the trade laws with China were relaxed with the help of a President that was staunchly supported by Organized Labor...
Actually I don't mind buying products from countries that are on the same playing field, but not from slave labor. I'm not blaming most CEO's, they have to compete. Our corrupt government is to blame (what party doesn't matter), they should be the ones taking care of the people. We have the largest economy in the world ( I think we still do) and WE should be making the rules. Sure, some products are cheaper when made offshore, but housing, healthcare, medicine, electricity, gas, etc. costs continue to rise while wages decline. Instead of bringing the rest of the world "up" we are bringing ourselves "down" and will pay the price someday. What really scares me is when the US will no longer be the innovator setting the standards. Sorry for my ranting.
There you go ....dropping the C word.** You, sir, win the*award for calling it like it is.**President BJ could have pushed for major reforms with those communist bastards as a condition they get to trade with us......but no, he was too happy to take their paltry campaign money in exchange for us not making a big fuss about things like mandatory abortions, killing delivered babies, no environmental controls, intellectual property theft, selling weapons to our other enemies, etc.* What a lame sack of shiat that pedophile*was and is!****
There you go ....dropping the C word.** You, sir, win the*award for calling it like it is.**President BJ could have pushed for major reforms with those communist bastards as a condition they get to trade with us......but no, he was too happy to take their paltry campaign money in exchange for us not making a big fuss about things like mandatory abortions, killing delivered babies, no environmental controls, intellectual property theft, selling weapons to our other enemies, etc.* What a lame sack of shiat that pedophile*was and is!****
I was hoping this wouldn't turn political. I blame Clinton and Bush jr. Don't forget just before the election Bush passed 150 billion in tax breaks for companies that ship jobs offshore. Civilizations rise and fall, more than one falling due to corruption and greed. Again, sorry for the ranting.
Merc motors to be built in China? 
