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Old 03-03-2005, 08:21 AM
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puddyt has it right. bayshore boats = quality

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Nobody ever listens to what I say about the 24 champion, but I will say it again, if you want the best riding bay boat, get the 24 champion!!!! I have been through this already and test drove all of these boats, and the champion was by far the best. It isnt the fastest of all of them, but its no turtle. It will run at about 54 with a 300 hpdi with a full load. To think that someone could consider a nautic star before a champion blow my mind. I have had the 22 skeeter, and the 23 kenner and when I tell you there is not comparison, I mean none. The you could play a football game on the deck of this boat. Tons of storage, two livewells, and most important, you can cruise and stay dry without that damn banging you get on cheap bay boats, in HONEST 2-3 foot seas. You can lower the nose on that boat and plow. Go see for yourself. A buddy of mine who is a captain on Calcasieu Lake in La ran the 24 triton and he came along on our boat for the day as a guide. We ran right offshore in some heavy stuff to catch ling and triple tail on the grass patches. He had sold his triton 2 weeks later and now runs a spankin new champ. NO joke. As far as the bay bolt goes, I havent ridden in one, but I heard they bang. Maybe not bad, but I have heard some good, and some squirrely reviews from owners. You will never get a bad review from a champion owner. There is one for sale in the boats for sale. I am not trying to start and argument, but it seems as though La, Texas, Miss know about these machines. Great fishing boat, great ride, great finish, priced right!!!
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But they do bang, thanks for confirming that. Furthermore, dont they come with hpdis???
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I have a 2300 Bay Bolt with a big HPDI I have no problems with my setup but I also know how to run
my boat until folks learn to run a boat ANY boat can BANG. I have tested a 24 Champion and it is a nice boat but not what I was looking for.
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Old 03-03-2005, 08:51 AM
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Just kiddin James
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Old 03-03-2005, 09:28 AM
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Jakeo, the ride in that 24' Champion SUCKS... I was just in a 26' Contender the other day and it rode WAY better.....

But seriously, unlike Champion, NauticStar only makes up to a 22' model.

It would blow my mind that anyone would make a comparison between the two since it's definitely unfair to compare the ride of a heavy 24' boat to that of a midweight 22' boat. I don't know where you're coming up with the reference to "that damn banging you get on cheap bay boats" unless you're referring to some third brand... I think that if you were to ride on my 2200 you'd agree that the ride is excellent WITHIN ITS CLASS (22' mid weight bay boat) and certainly doesn't leave you with the impression that you were just riding on some other "cheap bay boat". My NS 2200 has tons of storage, and two livewells just like the Champion, but will not run over 2-3' seas equally as well as a 24' Champion since it's a full 2' shorter and weighs hundreds of pounds less. However, it will burn FAR less gas, and will cost many thousands of dollars less.... you're just not comparing apples to apples....

Now... if you'd like to compare a 22' Champion to the 22' NauticStar.... we can do that...

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ps... in NO way is this meant to be construed as a Champion Bashing post since I think they build VERY nice boats, and if you've got the money, and like the layout, then it's a great choice.


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To think that someone could consider a nautic star before a champion blow my mind. Tons of storage, two livewells, and most important, you can cruise and stay dry without that damn banging you get on cheap bay boats, in HONEST 2-3 foot seas.
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Old 03-03-2005, 09:38 AM
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tightwad and the guys with the baybolts,

I apologize for sounding like I was bashing you boats. I have ridden in the nautic star once, in moderate chop and really liked it, but as you said it isnt 24 feet. As far as the bay bolt, I was sold on that boat. They, IMHO are the best looking bay boats on the market today, but then I got some mixed reviews on them, where as on the champion, I got all positive reviews from owners. As for the tritons, all I can say is what I stated above, a guide, who is a good friend, sold his triton 2 weeks after he fished our champion and baught one
What I should have said with all this was that I really like my boat a lot and think everyone should go try it out if they are looking for a great riding bay boat with lots of room!
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2fast2fish,
I highly recommend you take the time to look at and wet test the 2400 ShearWater. I spent six months looking for a new bay boat for my business and ended up choosing between the 2400 ShearWater or the 240LTS Triton. Both boats are top of the line. I ended up with the ShearWater because I wanted more room around the console and additional live wells (both personal reasons). My boat has the optional fourth live well, all live wells recirculate for trailering, plus the center console live well (when not being utilized as a live well) has the option to install a portapotty with a built in snap on privacy screen (inside the back rest). The ShearWater is rated for up to 300HP (Triton 250HP). The 300 Yamaha will push the ShearWater 62-63, the 275 Verado 61-62, both with light loads. I wet tested both the Triton and ShearWater with max HP in less than decent conditions and both performed well, however the ShearWater is a little lighter and had performance numbers more to my standards (due to higher HP rating). Good luck!
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[quote]tightwads - 3/3/2005 9:28 AM

24' Champion SUCKS...

Now... if you'd like to compare a 22' Champion to the 22' NauticStar.... we can do that...


Loius, sounds like we have are going to have to have a get together and put these bad boys through there paces
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Old 03-03-2005, 02:48 PM
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just go RIDE in a CHAMPION. find you some 2-3' nasty chops and just ride. you will be nothing but smiles. fished in a 22' tunnel champ for 2 years then bought my own 24' bay champ.
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Old 03-03-2005, 05:37 PM
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But they do bang, thanks for confirming that. Furthermore, dont they come with hpdis???
I know some others that "bang" and come with alot less than an hpdi. Usually dinner and a movie. Oh, we're talking about bayboats. My bad
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:25 PM
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Glad you know I was just joking.. LOL I like the layout and features of the 22' Bay Champ.. VERY similar to my NS 2200... a little less livewell capacity, and a little heavier (probably drafts another inch)... but has awesome fuel capacity. I'd bet the ride is a little smoother due to about 400 lbs more weight when fully loaded.

Your Tunnel champ definitely drafts more at rest than I do, but tradeoff is, I guarantee your ride is softer due to the weight and narrower beam.... only thing I don't like is I don't see an anchor locker... guess you just have to put a power pole on it...

What's the deadrise on that Tunnel Champ?

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24' Champion SUCKS...
Now... if you'd like to compare a 22' Champion to the 22' NauticStar.... we can do that...

Loius, sounds like we have are going to have to have a get together and put these bad boys through there paces
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:45 PM
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I think this is the Avenger 24 your looking for.
Avenger 24
BUILDER: Marauder Marine.
Length: 23 feet, 7 inches.
Beam: 8 feet, 3 inches.
Draft: 12 inches.
Power: 250 horsepower.
Fuel Capacity: 82 gallons.
Freeboard: 23 inches.
Standard features: towing eyes, running lights, hydraulic steering, five deck hatches, console and set of three slimline cleats.
Special features: Epoxy-coated fuel tank, integrated foam-filled grid system; hi-tech foam filled honeycomb, ventilated tranverse step, paddle keel, notched transom, 4-inch inverted lift straits.

More information: call Marauder Marine at 7278 848-5319 or email maraudermarine96@hotmail.com

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Old 03-03-2005, 06:57 PM
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First, decide how much you can or want to spend!!! Second, review where you like to fish (inland marsh, bays, barrier islands). Third, determine what is important to you in a bay boat. Many nice choices on the market. Triton is a great boat, but heavy. Skeeter is a great boat, but personally I don't like their deck layout. Ranger..heavy. Shearwater, very nice, but pricey. I like the BlazerBay 2220 Pro. Nice boat, with great deck space, great warranty on everything. For the money it is my choice.

Blazer Bay 2220 Pro
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34K...not bad for this much boat
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Loius, your right there is no anchor locker on the tunnel champion. I just put the anchor in one of the rod boxes without the rods I draft about 11-12 inches but the nice thing is because of the pocket tunnel I can run my engine in a shallow a water as she will float. I can also take off in as little as 15 inches of water as there is hardly any bow rise. I fish artificial 95% of the time so the baitwells double as storage for me. The 91 inch beam cuts through chop very nicely. Since I fish lots of flats in a foot or two of water the tunnel pays off. I have not had the pleasure of running in a nautic star but they look very well made and I like the nice freeboard that the boat has.

A couple of years ago I had a 18 ft champion bass boat that would run through a 2 ft chop better than many bay boats did. Champion kinda got my business with the great ride they give in a chop. Bottom line, when you drop the kinda cash that these boats cost now you better really feel good about your choice. Right know I have a friend who wants a 19 ft bass boat but is scared of the extra 5k a champion, triton, ranger run over some lower tier rigs. One thing I have learned with boating is you either pay them now or pay the more later
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Old 03-03-2005, 09:23 PM
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That's good to know... I thought they drafted more... their website claims a draft of 16" to 18" for the 22 Tunnel Champ.. and I would have guessed ~15" just from the dimensions & weight.... If you're only drafting 12" you're doing better than I am... it'll sure be a cold day in hades before I get up on a plane in 15" of water (although like your Champ, there's very little bow rise on my NS). Even if I HAD a jackplate I suspect I'd need 18" or so to get on plane, and right now, I need ~ 25" minimum.... 'course... it might help if I ran with less than full fuel and 800 lbs (or more) of passengers like I typically do... :grin:
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ps.. just for laughs, check this out...... on HydraSports web site for their 2300 Bay Bolt.. they state the draft of that 3425 lb monster as 10" :grin: ..... thats less than a Pathfinder 2200 which weighs 1300 lbs... hmmmmmm... you don't think maybe they're being a tad optimistic do you?? ;?

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Loius, your right there is no anchor locker on the tunnel champion. I just put the anchor in one of the rod boxes without the rods :grin: I draft about 11-12 inches but the nice thing is because of the pocket tunnel I can run my engine in a shallow a water as she will float. I can also take off in as little as 15 inches of water as there is hardly any bow rise. I fish artificial 95% of the time so the baitwells double as storage for me. The 91 inch beam cuts through chop very nicely. Since I fish lots of flats in a foot or two of water the tunnel pays off. I have not had the pleasure of running in a nautic star but they look very well made and I like the nice freeboard that the boat has.

A couple of years ago I had a 18 ft champion bass boat that would run through a 2 ft chop better than many bay boats did. Champion kinda got my business with the great ride they give in a chop. Bottom line, when you drop the kinda cash that these boats cost now you better really feel good about your choice. Right know I have a friend who wants a 19 ft bass boat but is scared of the extra 5k a champion, triton, ranger run over some lower tier rigs. One thing I have learned with boating is you either pay them now or pay the more later :grin:
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That's good to know... I thought they drafted more... their website claims a draft of 16" to 18" for the 22 Tunnel Champ.. and I would have guessed ~15" just from the dimensions & weight.... If you're only drafting 12" you're doing better than I am... it'll sure be a cold day in hades before I get up on a plane in 15" of water (although like your Champ, there's very little bow rise on my NS). Even if I HAD a jackplate I suspect I'd need 18" or so to get on plane, and right now, I need ~ 25" minimum.... 'course... it might help if I ran with less than full fuel and 800 lbs (or more) of passengers like I typically do...
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ps.. just for laughs, check this out...... on HydraSports web site for their 2300 Bay Bolt.. they state the draft of that 3425 lb monster as 10" ..... thats less than a Pathfinder 2200 which weighs 1300 lbs... hmmmmmm... you don't think maybe they're being a tad optimistic do you??

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Loius, your right there is no anchor locker on the tunnel champion. I just put the anchor in one of the rod boxes without the rods I draft about 11-12 inches but the nice thing is because of the pocket tunnel I can run my engine in a shallow a water as she will float. I can also take off in as little as 15 inches of water as there is hardly any bow rise. I fish artificial 95% of the time so the baitwells double as storage for me. The 91 inch beam cuts through chop very nicely. Since I fish lots of flats in a foot or two of water the tunnel pays off. I have not had the pleasure of running in a nautic star but they look very well made and I like the nice freeboard that the boat has.

A couple of years ago I had a 18 ft champion bass boat that would run through a 2 ft chop better than many bay boats did. Champion kinda got my business with the great ride they give in a chop. Bottom line, when you drop the kinda cash that these boats cost now you better really feel good about your choice. Right know I have a friend who wants a 19 ft bass boat but is scared of the extra 5k a champion, triton, ranger run over some lower tier rigs. One thing I have learned with boating is you either pay them now or pay the more later
3435# on the Baybolt and yes, 10" is BS. 15" ain't bad for that big boy though.
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Old 03-03-2005, 10:30 PM
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Try looking at the 22 or 24 Skeeter. Great boats and affordable!
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Everglades 243 is nice, not the fastest, but one of the most innovative. Includes jackplate, trim tabs, and a deep enough V to soften the ride. You did say best, not cheapest.
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Loius, keep in mind that most of the bottoms we fish over are a muddy soup. I suspect if I were over a sand bar it would require 15 inches to float properly. I still get in shallower water with this rig than my 18 ft bass boat did
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