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Old 01-07-2012, 01:42 PM
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Default 14' Livingston cat or 14' Twin Vee? What hp?

If anyone has experience with a 14' Livingston, can you please give me some hp information and speed for that hp? I currently have a new 25hp remote etec in the box, but the boat is rated for up to 40 hp with remote controls. I don't want an underpowered boat, but I'm wondering if this hull responds much better with the extra hp. I would really like it to cruise around 25 mph with 3 adults. Any info is very appreciated.

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I have a friend with a 16 and a 60 2 stroke mariner. He can run about 28 with 3 adults. I think your 14 would hit 35 with a 40 however I think you should find a 2 stroke to keep the transom weight down.
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Have you already bought that boat?

The 14' I saw had a 25 hp 4 stroke tiller handle I don't know what it runs speed wise . . . but i can tell you it was brand new and would creak and crack like crazy when you got in it. It was some of the worst construction I think I've seen. Major gaps in the glass and THIN glass.

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I have a 50 Merc four stroke for sale on craigslist right now it might be perfect for you. It is a 1991 and runs great. I am looking for a 70 or 90 two stroke for my 17' cat. Pm me if interested
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I actually haven't bought it. My wife and I just want to buy another small boat to have as our second boat, and it will get us on the water while we're waiting for our 26 to be finished.

Would the 14' Twin Vee be a better choice? I believe it's priced around $1,000 more. I was going to buy one more than likely on Monday. The nearest dealer sells both brands. I haven't seen either yet in person. I'll change the title to include Twin Vee.
iichart thank you for the offer, but I would like to find something close to new.
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Tv makes a nice 17fter too, 14ft is small with 3 adults, even though the cats are more stable..what's the 26 your having built? A tv?

search craigslist hard..plenty of cat boats for sale. Use searchtempest.com for your searches, it is the best way to search craigslist ads
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I have fished on a few Livingstons in Hawaii. They are like super-whalers. Very impressed, taken offshore daily.

The Livingstons are proven daily over there.. never heard about the twin vee.
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definitely get max rated hp. friend had 14 twin vee with 40hp 4stroke suzuki, sweet setup.
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Creaks and cracks? I don't know about the latest boats and how different they might be from the one I had, but I loved mine and have lots of great memories.

My 14 foot Livingston (1993 vintage) was coupled with a 2 cyl Yami c20 2 stoker (tiller).
Was fine for 3 med sized guys and lots of gear. 4 is a bit cramped but can be done.
The typical 3 guy load saw a cruise of about 18-19 mph.

The safety from its stability and better ride quality compared to an aluminum monohull of same length was a real winner for me. A 14 boat that you can stand up and shuffle around is very nice. Was used for salt water fishing and even saw a few trips way offshore on super days to 30 miles out (now that I'm older and wiser I don't think that was such a good idea, but a ton of great memories from those trips).

If I were to do it again, I'd opt for remote steering with a 4stroke light weight 30hp engine. 40hp IMO is not necessary unless you plan to be running heavily loaded often.

Sorry and sad to have sold the boat. No experience with twinvee.
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http://twinvee.com/Twin-Vee-Build-A-Boat.htm

tv rates the 14 for 40-60 hp.
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My uncle bought a 14’ foot Livingston in Gig Harbor Washington new in 1986. He really bought it for my cousins and I. He special ordered it with stainless steel runners on the bottom of each hull section, due to the rock/ sand / abrasion of our local beaches and boating areas. It took an extra 2 weeks to deliver the boat because of this request. It was the gray hulled “Commemorative edition” or “Olympic edition” or something like that. It was rigged with a 30 HP, 2 cycle, 2 cylinder outboard made by YAMAHA. We broke the motor in nice and easy according to the manual, as he was a pilot and knew how to treat equipment. It had the full windshield, side steering and 703 yamaha side mount controls
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We ran that boat all over the Puget Sound , ran it hard with whatever premix lubricants we happened to have on hand. 5 years ago I did a big service on the engine. I also flipped the hull over and drained some water from the hull that had leaked into the sealed aft thwart due to the original rigger drilling the battery hold down straps and not sealing the screws. Right now, (26 years later) my other cousin runs the boat out of Anacortes WA with his kids. I even think they ran it through the Straights of Juan de Fuca , but had to run with and follow another boat back to their home port due to building choppy weather. Tough hull and tough Yamaha. I think you will be fine with the 25 hp etec 2 stroke.
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Notice all the "proven and tested" hulls were from a long time ago?

The livingston I refererred to was BRAND SPANKIN NEW in 2011.

Total JUNK.

Creaks and cracks? Oh hell yes like you never seen before!

I would NEVER own that make of hull.

Maybe it was different back in the day, but they are putting out junk RIGHT NOW.

The cracks in the glass were SEVERE, I'm not talking cosmetic stress cracks (hell when i first saw the boat, it had never been used), or gel coat cracks, but true to life structual issues.

Good luck with that.

And if you're not talking about modern era hulls you might be surprised how much they went downhill.

Don't tell me about "proven daily" in hawaii, there ain't no way in hell a modern, current design, livingston 14'er is proving anything, except maybe HOW NOT to build a boat.

Get the twin vee, an extra grand is worth it all day long!!

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Well, I made sure I checked out the boat before I took it. I walked all over it and didn't hear a creek or cracking sound anywhere. It's funny you say that about the creeking. It seems you're correct about what you say in a way. My salesman at the dealership told me he was glad they recently corrected their problems. I had him explain. He said some of the Livingstons recently had major faults right from the factory. He said some dealers still had them on their lots and were trying to dump them. So, you're correct in saying some of them were basicly junk. Anyway, I have it now.

I think it's going to Andros now for them to possibly install a lightweight floor with storage, center console, and possibly a 40. I'm supposed to hear from Andy at Andros and see what he feels we should do with the boat. They do great work, so it should get more interesting soon.
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These might be worth a look. The videos make them look as safe and fun as it gets.

http://www.duxboats.com/Content/DuxB...ammerHead.aspx
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Well, I got a little carried away. The boat is at Andros Boatworks in Sarasota now. They are installing a new 40 etec, lightweight nida core floor with hatches, custom center console with front seat and cooler, bottom paint, new steering, rigging, etc.. Even a fancy little steering wheel. Andy said he'll be finished with it and we'll test it in the water next week. Then it goes to have a custom seat made along with the rest of the electronics installed. I hope it handles well. It's gonna be a decked out little skiff. I'm hoping it will hit 35 mph and cruise at an easy 25. I hate the weight of the motor, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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Over eight years, my original Egret partner, Scott Flanders, circumnavigated the world with his 12' high side Livingston powered with a 30 hp Yamaha. Of course most of the time it rode on the deck of his Nordhaven 46. :-) http://www.nordhavn.com/egret/index.php4

Scott and Mary stopped in Washington N.C. for a chat and gave me the 12' Livingston and Yamaha. My small children and I have been tooling around the Pamlico and having lots of fun with it. He also rigged a small console with remote controls and wheel steering. It hits 27 mph with two people swinging a 3 blade 13" pitch aluminum Yamaha Prop @ 5500 RPM. Plugging in those numbers I would expect a 14 with a 40hp to run 30-31 mph. Buy a good SS prop if available.

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Those are amazing pictures. I'm now having a 12' Livingston delivered to my house tomorrow. I may tinker with it in my garage with the kids. My son is 10, and I think it would be a great first boat to play around the canals with.
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Just a little follow up. I'm still waiting on the boat. It's taking much longer than it was supposed to. If the work done to the boat is done very well, it will be worth the wait though. If the build quality of my little project is anything like Andros new boats, it will be awesome. I do wish we had it this week for my kids spring break though. Anyway, I'm having a new dock and lift installed, so I opted to not have the bottom painted. In it's place, I had them add trim tabs. The 40 etec is supposed to be in and ready to install. If it ends up being too heavy for the boat, I'll trade down for a 30. I'll try to post pics when it's completed.
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Awesome thread.

I just bought a 10' Livingston hull for $50.00.

She is pretty trashed, but I can see potential.
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Andy's brother Danny told me he would try to have it ready tomorrow (wednesday the 14th). I'm ready to get it back so I can install the seating, lights, stereo, color gps/sonar, LED underwater and deck lights, etc.. I decided just to put a flip flop cooler seat on it behind the console instead of custom seating.
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