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Old 02-02-2005, 08:11 PM
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Does anyone know how the verado's are being rigged on catamaran's in regard to the steering not having a rigid tie bar? I have seen a couple of photo's on the net of cats with verado's but no photo is clear enough to figure out the rigging. thanks, mark
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The Yamaha rep said they come with two midgets who sit in the hulls and steer each motor in unisine.
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and they are blonde and hot
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You saw them? You mean it is really true? I thought he was just bashing Mercs.
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VERADO'S HERE I COME!!!!
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c'mon somebody give him a serious answer - actually a wireless transmitter actuates a servo motor on the slave motor which is usually the port engine and...

nah....just kidding... I have no Friggin idea - but it sounded good did'nt it?
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They take verbal turning commands in seven languages....whaddaya need...a refresher course?
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Look in Gersly's Album. You will see pics of Verados with tie bars.
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Cat's generally do not run tie bars because of the spacing between the motors. Instead, they either use a single cylinder that attaches to both motors (one at each end) via heim joints (like the GB uses)or they use a liquid tie bar that allows for quick realignment as well as a liguid connection between the motors (a la Worldcat). Since the Verados each have their own integral steering pump in lieu of a driven cylinder, the former is not possible and since they don't have hydraulic lines to tap into, the latter is not a player either. Defiant uses Verados on their cats, so there's obviously some way to do it...that is what Firstafence is trying to figure out.

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If you go to the Defiant web site they have pics posted. In the stern you will see a box-like structure on each side. That is where the midgets stay. http://65.109.90.109/
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I have not had a chance to llook at the guts of the Verado steering unit...it may be that it can't get out of alignment (worm gear or rack and pinion) and so a tie bar is not required. Or there may be some sort of RRU that senses the position of each motor and adjusts them as necessary. There must be a dozen different ways to accomplish the alignment.

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The Yamaha rep said they come with two midgets who sit in the hulls and steer each motor in unisine.

better be very strong midgets to clean & jerk 670 pounds.
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sorta like some of the mental midgets here
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I spoke with Defiant marine today. The verado's are linked together with a liquid tie bar similar to, but not identical to, the sea-star liquid tie bar. The verado system also has an alignment valve for re-alignment if and when necessary. Mark
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The Teleflex liquid tie bar is simply an alignment valve that ties the motors in series. Fluid moves from the helm to one cylinder, moving the piston. The piston displaces fluid from the other side and into the opposite cylinder. The displaced fluid moves the piston, which displaces fluid back to the helm.

The valve, when opened, allows fluid from either side of one cylinder to move into the other cylinder (which one depends on how the hoses are run), effectively unslaving one motor from the steering system...the other motor still responds normally to the helm. Once aligned, the valve is closed, restoring the series hydaulic circuit.

My guess is that the Defiant uses the same concept...an alignment valve that when closed functions as a serial hydraulic connection between the motors. For Verados, I'm guessing this is all done at the helm as opposed to the engine well (where it is normally located).

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Cat's generally do not run tie bars because of the spacing between the motors. Instead, they either use a single cylinder that attaches to both motors (one at each end) via heim joints (like the GB uses)or they use a liquid tie bar that allows for quick realignment as well as a liguid connection between the motors (a la Worldcat). Since the Verados each have their own integral steering pump in lieu of a driven cylinder, the former is not possible and since they don't have hydraulic lines to tap into, the latter is not a player either. Defiant uses Verados on their cats, so there's obviously some way to do it...that is what Firstafence is trying to figure out.

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Actually Glacier Bay uses the tie bar setup. They run the tiebar throught the middle section with rubber boots to stop water intrusion. I like that setup for them. It helps me sell my boats. Harry by the way,I ran my first 33 with the power steering. My take is dont own a 33 without it. One finger either direction.
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Which finger are you referring to? And to whom are you pointing it?
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one finger steering in either direction
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Charles,

I think we are describing the same thing on the GBs...a special cylinder mounted below becks between the motors, each with a link to the cylinder. A traditional tie bar setup has the cylinder on one motor, with a tie bar slaving the second motor to it.

As for the PA steering, I've tried it as well. It is definitely easeir than mine, but not so much that I'd spend money to retrofit it. If I were ordering a new boat, I'd definitely specify it. I know that some folks have really hard steering, but I'm certtain that is an air issue...I had hard steering at one point and a good bleeding fixed it. My 9 year old can turn the wheel easily, so I'm pretty satisfied with the effort level.

BTW, I've talked to a Teleflex engineer and we discussed a combo PA/AP unit...it would do power assist when manually steering the boat and be an autopilot pump when needed.

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