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Old 01-30-2005, 09:28 AM
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Do any of you have any numbers that would tell if the e-tec would recieve better fuel mileage than the dfi that evinrude is currently running? I am looking at single 200 hp engines and would like to hear some real world perfomance numbers with mostly mpg. Also does anyone know of any digital gauge packages offered by evinrude? I see this helmsman gauge in the catalog but no description of what data it shows and no info on their site either! Thanks for any help you can lend!
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I read in Trailer boat magazine that Bomb is coming out with there digital gauages.
Honda also.
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Hey high life. I have a Ficht (115). Very fuel efficient but a little hard on expensive plugs. I have about 700 hours on mine and am looking real hard at how everyone says the E-Tec performs. Hopefully they will come out w/ the 115 soon. I'm hearing 2006. If I was Bomb I would have come out w/ the mid-range engines 1st as that seems to be a bigger market where I live on Texas Gulf Coast. I am hearing alot of good things about the E-Tec but time will tell. Any E-tec owners out there w/ comments?
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mowdyman, I have heard of some issues with plugs on the fichts and something to do with having to index them???? I would like to now if this holds true to e-tecs. Does anyone know????? I know someone has got to have a v6 etec by now!
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mowdyman, I have heard of some issues with plugs on the fichts and something to do with having to index them???? I would like to now if this holds true to e-tecs. Does anyone know????? I know someone has got to have a v6 etec by now!
I don't know whether the E-TEC requires indexing, but indexing is not a big deal. The plugs on an Evinrude DFI last 100 hours but they typically require regapping at about 50 to 60 hours. Again, not a big deal at all.
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Do any of you have any numbers that would tell if the e-tec would recieve better fuel mileage than the dfi that evinrude is currently running?

Here is part of a post from a charter captain on another forum:



I've been running a 2005 model 250 ETEC since late October. It pushes a 87 Mako 254 center console. Prop is a OMC 15x17 SSTII
My experience so far...

Avg Fuel burn: about 10-15 % better than the 2004 Evinrude DI250 it replaced. At cruise (4400 rpms or so), I'm doing around 11 gph and making 24 knots. This will vary a bit depending on load, sea conditions, trim, etc. My fuel flow meter is not calibrated perfectly yet either so this number is a little off but not by much. On total fuel burn at the end of a trip, the FF meter errs high so I expect that FF at cruise errs to the high side as well. At idle, it burns 1/3 gallon per hour. Yes. that's one gallon every 3 hours. On an average trip out of Canaveral, I'll log 50-60NM in a 9 hour day. This involves about an hour run out at cruise, 5-6 hours of idling around, another 1/2 hour or so at cruise to move to different spots and finally an hour run in at cruise. During the early part of January when the weather was really nice, I can tell you that I ran 4 full day trips and 2 half day trips on a total of 144 gallons of fuel and a little less than a gallon and a half of oil.
As I fine tune my fuel management system and put a little more time on her, I'll be sure to update my numbers.

Avg Oil consumption: Just plain nutz. I haven't figured it exactly yet but I do know I'm getting in excess of 100:1. I'm burning the XD-100 synthetic oil.

As far as emissions are concerned, the ETEC beats any other offering out there (both 2 strokes and 4 strokes). As one poster above so clearly illustrated, there is a lot of ignorance on this one. The data supports it quite conclusively though. I've heard the comment more than once that there is no way a two stroke that burns oil in the fuel can have lower emissions than a 4 stroke that burns no oil. Very simple logic at play in those types of comments. The reality is that the ETEC pollutes less because it is very efficient at consuming the oil at the point of ignition. i.e. there is no oil left to "escape". And its no secret that 4 strokes do actually consume oil as well. One issue I've heard of is oil leaking past rings when certain 4 strokes are left tilted for a while. When they're first started, all of that oil gets blown right out into the environment. I think its fair to say that ALL engines consume oil to some degree. The ETEC has proven that it does it in a much cleaner fashion as well.

As far as noise is concerned, the ETEC is incredibly quiet. At idle, it is much noticeably quieter than other 2 strokes. It probably isn't quite as quiet as 4 strokes at idle but it is very close. I've had many, many people ask me how I like my 4 stroke as I'm backing her into my slip. They've all been stunned to learn its actually a 2 stroker.

At cruise, it is noticeably quieter than other 2 strokes and probably equal to or better than most 4 strokes. Don't have data to support this, just my gut feeling. I've been on boats with Yam 4 strokes as well as Honda 4 strokes. Don't have experience with any others.

I love the raw power of my 2 stroke ETEC. I love the efficiency of my 2 stroke ETEC. I love the fact that my 2 stroke ETEC is leading the industry in emissions control. I love the fact that my 2 stroke ETEC is so quiet. I love the fact that my 2 stroke ETEC starts with the touch of a key and performs flawlessly every time. I love the fact my 2 stroke ETEC comes with such a tremendous factory warranty.

To put it simply, I just love my ETEC
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Yes the plugs must be indexed. You put a marks-a-lot on the plug showing opening and it must face the injector. Right on cleaning. Mine get fouled after 50 hours. Nice post saying he really likes his E-Tec. Anymore posts on E-Tec are welcome as I am leaning towards one when the 115's come out.
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Yes the plugs must be indexed. You put a marks-a-lot on the plug showing opening and it must face the injector.

The plug gap can face the injector or be 90 degrees on either side of it, basically saying it can face the sky or the ground, or anywhere in between when the motor is level. You have 180 degrees to play with, and if a plug does not line up, it will on the opposite bank of cylinders. It only takes a few moments more to swap plugs than just throwing 6 new ones in.
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Thanks seahorse!!! I guess nobody else owns a V6 etec??
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mowdyman, you will have less plug fouling with a full synthetic oil like XD-100 or Pennzoil Full Synthetic.

The E-Tec engines can have their oil rate re-adjusted by the dealer if you are running XD-100.
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I think that the emissions statements in SeaHorse's post from the charter cap may not be quite right... though I'm wrong plenty myself!

If I recall from my reading on the topic, E-tec's (and DFI's in general) are inferior to 4-strokes in hydrocarbon emissions (the type that the 2-S oil would contribute to). However, they are superior in NOx emissions (the kind that correlate to the higher combustion temperatures of 4S's). 2 different types of emission and 2 different gov't spec's. To meet regs, a motor has to meet ALL of the specs and the E-tec does this just fine for the 2007 set. It's just that saying "cleaner than 4S" (or "cleaner than DFI") requires definition of the emission type.
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The EPA and the European Union require the testing for 3 pollutants, hydrocarbons HC, oxides of nitrogen NOx, and carbon monoxide CO. Emission levels for EPA are totals of HC and NOx and CO has to be reported too. The EU takes into account the total of all 3 emissions, just like the EPA does for cars.

You can learn a lot by navigating around www.epa.gov



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Thanks oldwizard:

I'm using Ficht oil I buy from the dealer in bulk. Is this synthetic or not? Don't know, but just using what the mechanic suggested.
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What was called FICHT oil is now XD-50 by Bombardier. It is a synthetic blend oil. XD-100 is the full synthetic which used to be called Bio-D
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mowdyman, you will have less plug fouling with a full synthetic oil like XD-100 or Pennzoil Full Synthetic.
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I've got a 2004 225 DI....same problem with replacing plugs. It doesn't look like fouling...the plugs look like they are just melting away. I think these engines burn really hot. I'm using Penzoil synthetic blend...Do you think full synthetic would help? IT seems like the extra cost of oil would offset the plug savings anyway. Somebody's got to make a plug that can stand up to the heat.

BTW...It's pushing a 2004 Sea Boss 235WA and I'm averaging right around 3mpg.
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mowdyman, you will have less plug fouling with a full synthetic oil like XD-100 or Pennzoil Full Synthetic.
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I've got a 2004 225 DI....same problem with replacing plugs. It doesn't look like fouling...the plugs look like they are just melting away. I think these engines burn really hot. I'm using Penzoil synthetic blend...Do you think full synthetic would help? IT seems like the extra cost of oil would offset the plug savings anyway. Somebody's got to make a plug that can stand up to the heat.

BTW...It's pushing a 2004 Sea Boss 235WA and I'm averaging right around 3mpg.
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I'm the captain quoted above from the other board.

The ETEC is much easier on plugs than the DI motors. I've owned 3 Evinrude DI motors - a 225 and 2 250s - prior to the ETEC 250 I'm running now. They were awesome engines but compared to non-DFI engines, they were rougher on plugs - no doubt about it. In the grand scheme of things however, this was nothing in my book. The fuel and oil savings on ONE TRIP easily paid for a set of plugs that would last many, many trips. Over 2,000 total hours on Evinrude DI engines and gear oil and plugs was the extent of my maintenance concerns. That's a small price to pay for that many hours of reliable running with tremendous fuel and oil savings. You won't hear me complain one bit about that.

The ETEC uses a different plug and different firing algorithm than the DI motors. I think the biggest difference is that the DI motors relied heavily on stratified (multiple spark) firing at low rpms while the ETECs do not. Therefore, the plugs in DI motors fire many more times than their non-DI and ETEC counterparts. This is just HERESAY to me though and I could easily be wrong so no quoting on this please. At any rate, I don't think it had a whole lot to do with the kind of oil being burned although I'm sure that does contribute to plug life to some degree.

With the DI motors, I would typically pull the plugs and regap at around 70-80 hours. At about 150 hours, I'd replace them.

I've put a little over 150 hours on the ETEC thus far and have not done a thing to the plugs. Bombardier has properly addressed the plug life issue as far as I'm concerned.
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I have the Helmsman instrument package on a rude 2002 250 dfi rude. Very few, I repeat very few have been installed on the south shore of long island. when doen correctly it's great. the cluster looks analog but they are digital gauges made by faria.
In the system is fuel management, sonar and a trouble shooting code system, depth alarm, engine clock etc. the package costs approx. $700 but it is very good.
problem is getting a bomb mech. who knows about the system to install it correctly-
I have found the gauges to be very accurate including the fuel useage gauge (within a half gallon of actual fuel use).
faria is very supportive but as I said make sure whoever installs it know what the heck they are doing.
my 250 dfi averages about 2.8 mi per gallon at cruise-oil useage is very low-I love the engine.
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So when will the 115 etecs be coming out Any news in the US ?

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I've got a 225 etec. I have limited (2.6) hours on it so far. If mother nature would only cooperate . Initial impressions of the engine are . The new 225 etec replaced a 200 carburated Johnson Oceanrunner.
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sportfish they unvieled the v-4 115 e-tec at the miami show & it looks like it will be in the 2006 my when the 115-130-150-175 e-tecs comeout. new my usually comeout in october.
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