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Old 01-27-2005, 12:05 AM
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Default Palmer's Tiderunner Boats

I am in the market for a new/used boat. I am interested in a walkaround style baout 18-22'. I know this forum is generally for east coasters (I live in Seattle, WA), but I'd like to hear some opinons on Palmer boat and specifically Tiderunners. Palmer recently bought Shamrock which is popular out east. Does anyone out there have any info on Palmer?

http://www.palmerboats.com/tiderunner/

I am interested in the 195 model with the exteension bracket. The boat has a 22 degree deadrise weighs 1850lbs and will be powered by a 140 horse suzuki.

I will generally be using the boat in the Puget Sound while using it at times for relatively short runs (<10 miles) offshore.

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Old 01-27-2005, 12:31 AM
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Default RE: Palmer's Tiderunner Boats

Tiderunners have been around for a long time, they were orginally built in Gig Harbor, then moved to the Bremerton - Port Orchard area. There are several older ones around Puget Sound . They have a fairly good reputation, but for that size boat I would prefer an Arima...
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:19 AM
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I know nothing about the Tiderunners, however, Bo Palmer is a regular over on the Shamrock board and has been very involved in soliciting feedback from Shammy owners since he picked up the line. Everything from names of the new boats to our likes and dislikes. He's taken a genuine interest and seems very dedicated to putting forth a quality product with great customer service to back it up!
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I am in the market for a new/used boat. I am interested in a walkaround style baout 18-22'. I know this forum is generally for east coasters (I live in Seattle, WA), but I'd like to hear some opinons on Palmer boat and specifically Tiderunners. Palmer recently bought Shamrock which is popular out east. Does anyone out there have any info on Palmer?

http://www.palmerboats.com/tiderunner/

I am interested in the 195 model with the exteension bracket. The boat has a 22 degree deadrise weighs 1850lbs and will be powered by a 140 horse suzuki.

I will generally be using the boat in the Puget Sound while using it at times for relatively short runs (<10 miles) offshore.

Thanks,
Steve
I'm probably a wee bit late to the party, but FWIW, I used to work for the original Tiderunner during their last 6 months (or so) of existence.
If infact Steve did end up with a Tiderunner, he couldn't have chosen a better boat for fishing these waters.
The whole concept of the boat was as a "fishing boat", as opposed to a "general pleasure boat".
The hull was designed to cut through the choppy waters of the Puget Sound like a hot knife through butter.
On top of that, the hull was extra thick, to ensure it could take the beating.
There's a material known as "Roving" that is used in the construction of fiberglass items.
Its a woven fabiric of the actual glass fibers that the resin impregnates.
Its very strong.
From what I understand, most pleasure craft builders will use a layer of Roving when building their hulls.
This works fine, as the owner of just about any fiberglass runabout can attest to, but the Tiderunners were actually built with TWO separeate layers of Roving.
This made the boat a little heavier but the thick, double layered hull was also incredibily strong.
Not sure if the Palmer version retains that method of hull construction, but the one's I built were made that way.
Also, we were a Yamaha dealer, too. So all of the boats that were built while I was there, were all powered by Yamaha outboards.
Great boat and a great bunch of people to work for.


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Old 07-06-2011, 09:20 AM
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Tiderunners have been around for a long time, they were orginally built in Gig Harbor, then moved to the Bremerton - Port Orchard area. There are several older ones around Puget Sound . They have a fairly good reputation, but for that size boat I would prefer an Arima...
Its funny that you bring up Arima.
From what I was told, Jack Arima is a Sailmaker, by trade and stitched all the convertable tops and upholstery for Tidrunner, while he was employed by them.
When Jack went off to form his own company, he based the design of his boats on the Tiderunner.
That's why all the Arima boats bear a striking resemblence to the old Tiderunner's.


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Old 07-06-2011, 09:33 AM
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Sorry for the extraneous post.
Guess I did this one a little backwards.
Just subscribing to the thread.


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I thought the whole Palmer/Tidewater/Sharock combo went belly up a year or two ago. Hard to believe the Tiderunner predates the Arima, as I never even heard of them until Palmer started marketing them. They were cute, but the narrow beam did not do it for me.
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:47 AM
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Did they?
I'd never heard of a Palmer, until I found myself following one being towed down the highway, not far from my house.
That was just a couple of days ago.
I was floored, as I just KNEW I was looking at one of the old Tiderunner's I used to build.
A Google search led me here and well, here I am!
Tiderunner dates back to sometime in the 1970's.
They were originally known as "Sailfish Marine" and were based out of Gig Harbour.
However, by the time I came along, the actual manufacturing facility was on the Belfair road, in the industrial park across the street from the airport.
The showroom was still in Gig Harbour, though.
I don't recall when the name changed to Tiderunner.
Dang good boat. Back then, we built a 15', 16' and 18' runabout.
The 18 had two additional decks available - one we called an "Open Bow", because there was a cavity with seats ahead of the cockpit.
The other was the Cuddy. It had a space below deck, in front of the cockpit.
The Palmer boat appears to use the Cuddy's deck.
We also built another type of boat, which we called a "Point Special".
This was a very basic boat. Just the hull, with a podium mounted amidship, on which the controls were mounted. Then a seat.
That was it.
I kinda liked the Point Special. Simple and to-the-...well, Point!
IIRC, I could build one of those within an hour (another reason I liked them! ).
FWIW, when Tiderunner shut down in '98, we were all laid off and a company called "Rendova" took over the shop.
They built inflatables with fiberglass mid-sections. Kinda like a Kodiak.




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UPDATE: Just got word from someone here that the old Tiderunner boats are now built under the Definace name, although nowadays, they are slightly modified from the originals.
...time for Google! =)


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Old 07-19-2011, 08:02 PM
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UPDATE: Just got word from someone here that the old Tiderunner boats are now built under the Definace name, although nowadays, they are slightly modified from the originals.
...time for Google! =)
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I am happy to see this history of the Tiderunner boats. I have a 1978 16ft here in Michigan that I bought from a guy in Sacramento, CA, who had brought it from the Puget Sound area. I have never seen another here in Michigan.

My coincidence is that the name of my boat (unchanged from prior owner) is Defiance!
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Old 08-03-2011, 09:59 AM
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Wow, made it all the way to Michigan.
Very cool story. Nice to see some owners taking care and time to get to know the history of their boat.
When I started working for Tiderunner, the first boat I learned to build was the 16 ft. Runabout.
We'd gotten a contract to build something like 15 or 20. They were all being sent to Korea (!).
I was just wondering, is your boat a 16 ft. runabout ?
I ask because one of the mechanics there once showed me a mold for a deck of something they made called an "Islander".
It too was 16 ft. long and looked kinda like a Boston Whaler.
I understand that it was the precursor to the Point Special..
Unfortunately, the deck was a complicated design and didn't take to being cast too well.
Many would crack when trying to pry them off the mold, so if your 16 footer is an Islander, you probably have a rare boat.


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Old 08-10-2011, 09:13 PM
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Seems like the 15' Point Special is a rare boat as well. DCman has great information! Thank you.

Any more information on the Point special would be greatly appreciated. Horsepower rating, seaworthy?? Ever check the C.G. recall list? Google is great.

The boat would be a fisherman's dream. Complete open space with no frills and easy cleanup.
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Old 08-20-2011, 11:39 AM
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I've got a Tiderunner 19'2 Walk Around. I love the boat except when filling it with
fuel. It won't take more than 5 gallons without spitting fuel out through the intake hole.

I know there may be a problem with the venting of the tank but I cannot find the fuel
vent opening. I have three hull openings. One for the bilge pump, one to fuel and one
small opening on the bow covered by a chrome cover. Can any Tiderunner owners tell me
if this is the vent opening. I bought the boat used and don't have an owners manual to look at.
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:54 PM
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Hey DC: I'm looking at a 1991 16' Tiderunner next week. Has a 1991 YAMAHA 70HP OUTBOARD WITH HYDRO ELECTRIC LIFT AND TILT AND 1991 YAMAHA 6HP OUTBOARD.Other then tyour experience with the Korean boat order, is there anything else , danger spots? , I should be looking for?
Appreciate your experience and wisdom.
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Apologies to all for not getting back to you sooner.
I should be getting e-mail alerts to this thread, but I haven't for a while now.
...hmmm...anyway...

Sailboatster,

No deficiencies with the 16 footer, as far as I know.
All of the boats we built were sound craft.
The motor you mention sounds a little weak, though.
I seem to remember the 70 horse engines went on the 15 footers and the 16's got 90's. 18 footers got...??? 110hp? I can't remember anymore.
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If your Tiderunner is longer than 18', its a Tiderunner model built by a different company, not something built by Tiderunner, the company.
The largest boat I ever built for Tiderunner (the company) was 18'.
...although we did have something we called "The Israelli Gunboat", which was a 25 foot tug-like yacht.
It was a one-off and never produced (at least not by us).
I'm assuming by "walk around", you're referring to the design we called an "Open Bow".
This featured a cavity forward of the windshield that could be accessed, but flipping open a hinged center section of the windshield and (I think) there was a little door under it (it would have been the same door we used as an entry for the 18' Cuddy).
I can't comment on your gas tank woes, since your Tiderunner is probably something that wasn't built at our shop.
I do seem to remember Bill telling me that there was a design problem with the gas tanks, at one time (before I worked there) and that the gas tanks that I installed were of a newer design.
Could a tank replacement cure your problem? Probably, but I can't speculate anymore than I already have.
I just don't think you have a boat of the type that I built.
I will take a leap, though, and say that the chrome covered opening in the bow sounds like its for an anchor.
We put anchor boxes into the tip of the bow of every boat we built, except for the Point Specials.
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22TULES,

Well, the company was in business for over 25 years and I only worked there for the last 5-6 months they existed, but I seem to remember building a number of 15' Point Special's during my short tenure.
In fact, I think I may have built more 15 footers than any other PS.
You are correct about the boat's usefullness.
Only problem was that it was hard to take more than one friend along as it only had two seats in it (and that's counting the fish box in front of the console as one seat!).
Engine HP ratings were based on length. PS got the same as all the rest of the boats.
My second favourite boart was the 18' runabout.
The design was stretched in the area behind the seats, so from the seats forward, it was pretty much the same as the 16 and 15 footers, but had much more "open area" in the section behind the seats.
It almost had the appearance of trawler, with that long section behind the "Cab". That's how long it was.
Good boat.


Again, sorry for the slow reply, people. I'll have to look into those email alerts.




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Most of the time I think resurrecting old threads is stupid but in this case I wanted to add some pics to this one that illustrate what was being discussed in the posts above. A guy brought me a 70's Tiderunner the other day to have me do a bottom paint job so it was a good time to get some images up of a little deep V that was tough and inexpensive.
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Wow. That brings back some memories.
Virtually the same boat I built in the late 90's.
The only thing I can see different is the lack of racing stripes.
Thanks for posting those pics.
Which version is that, Cuddy or Open Bow?


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Does anyone know where I can get an estimated market value for my 16' 1987 Tiderunner? All sites don't seem to recognize it. It has been very well taken care of. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Is your 16 footer a regular ol' runabout or is it kinda set up like a Boston Whaler?


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Sort of like a Whaler...it's a forward console with storage under deck with enough deck space above to lay an anchor, rope, small person, etc....
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