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Old 03-30-2011, 04:49 PM
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Thinking of painting gunwales, gunwale cap and console................Imron or Awlgrip? My new floor looks too good to leave the others alone. Snowball effect has started!
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Default It depends on who is painting and what they like.

Many a good painter end up with orange peel with awlgrip. Imron is a little bit easier to spray and repair but they say awlgrip is harder and a deeper shine. I guess there is no free ride. I could not decide myself and I have used both many times. I struggle to paint awlgrip but still use it.
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Where do you think Interlux Perfection falls into the mix?
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Perfection is a good paint for the DIY guy, but don't expect for it to hold up as well or have the gloss retention that Awlgrip or Imron has.
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what about awl craft ? heard for darker colors its better than awlgrip
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Look at Awlcraft 2000. Repairable. Buff and waxing down the road is okay too.
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Look at Awlcraft 2000. Repairable. Buff and waxing down the road is okay too.
this is exactly what i hear
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Imron vs. Awlcraft vs Perfection?
I love this thread b/c I've got so little knowledge and so many questions!

So, I'm re doing an old Aquasport 22-2, and I'll be needing to paint her soon. I'm not looking for a "Rybovitch" quality job, but I'd like to be proud of her looks without having to build a paint booth around her. Plus my wife will be bashing, I mean driving her some, so repairability is important. Dont care too much about cost, would rather do it once and be done for a decade or two. And how about below the waterline? New gelcoat? Paint? Boat will be dry stored but left in the water for as many as 3 weeks at a time. Scrubbed some whilst she is in the water of course. So much ignorance in one smallish head!

So, among many questions, what is the easiest to apply for a DIYer with no spraying equipment? I do understand that surface preparation is crucial, but I don't have access to anything more professional than an orbital sander.
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There both good. Most people these days only use awl grip for the decks, and awl craft for top sides and hull. You can wet sand and buff awl craft not awl grip. I prefer imron, it has an unreal shone and holds up like no other. None of these should be sprayed by harry homeowner unless you have some knowledge of what your doing.
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My boat is painted with imron and I am very happy with it
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Just to add a little more confusion to the mix. Several boatbuilders (including Hatteras) are using more Alexseal. According to their rep and literature it's a "hybrid". Supposedly it has the hardness and shine of Awlgrip with the repairability of Imron.
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Forgot to add- either paint will be less maintenance than gelcoat
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My 27 Contender was sprayed in awlgrip and i was floored how durable that stuff is. Came into the dock one time and the fenders popped up on top leaving the hull to kiss the dock pretty hard. (a lot of current in the slip.) To my amazement there was no damage.

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Imron vs. Awlcraft vs Perfection?
I love this thread b/c I've got so little knowledge and so many questions!

So, I'm re doing an old Aquasport 22-2, and I'll be needing to paint her soon. I'm not looking for a "Rybovitch" quality job, but I'd like to be proud of her looks without having to build a paint booth around her. Plus my wife will be bashing, I mean driving her some, so repairability is important. Dont care too much about cost, would rather do it once and be done for a decade or two. And how about below the waterline? New gelcoat? Paint? Boat will be dry stored but left in the water for as many as 3 weeks at a time. Scrubbed some whilst she is in the water of course. So much ignorance in one smallish head!

So, among many questions, what is the easiest to apply for a DIYer with no spraying equipment? I do understand that surface preparation is crucial, but I don't have access to anything more professional than an orbital sander.
Nothing wrong with an old orbital sander. I dont know of any other tool that is needed that could cost more? Infact the best jobs are hand block sanded and then a quick upper grit orbit sand on the open areas.
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Just to add a little more confusion to the mix. Several boatbuilders (including Hatteras) are using more Alexseal. According to their rep and literature it's a "hybrid". Supposedly it has the hardness and shine of Awlgrip with the repairability of Imron.
Not sure? Maybe an urban legend tho. I have been researching 2 part clear coats for UV protection of wood instead of varnish. It seems No one wants to maintain wood varnish jobs properly. So I am now going to this morning start spraying awlcraft clear coating two different projects. after multiple epoxy and sanding coats. Back to the solids ? of Imron or awlgrip is better? Awlgrip Will be better if it gets done with No orange peel and No runs. The shine will be deeper and the finish harder then imron. Here is the difference explained to me. Awlgrip the color stays deep in the mil finish and a clear coat almost raises up near the surface in the tiny mil measurements. This is why awlgrip does not repair and buff to a uniform finish. Imron, Alexseal and awlcraft are softer and no clear coat rises from the solid color like awlgrip.We are talking Anal measurements on all the differences. The biggest problem is not letting the paint control the guy spraying it. That means if the boat is not prepped properly,If the gun is not adjusted properly for the temperature and the paint. Then the paint will control the sprayer. Anyone Notice most new expensive european cars have orange peel???" I wonder what that is about? Then they clear coat almost all cars nowadays which highlights the orange peel. I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. I dont own a ?100,000.00 mercedes but I did just paint my 97 dodge diesel work truck with imron black this winter.And I am going to awlgrip my boat in a couple weeks.So it depends on the day I guess and which side of the bed I get up on.
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Another vote for Imron
We prefer Imron as well for its increased repairability, and I haven't noticed any less durability or shine than Awlgrip. I've been told the same about Alexseal, its a hybrid. Also told its a little harder to buff / repair than Imron or Awlcraft 200, but easier than Alwgrip. Makes sense. I think it totally depends on who is spraying and what their used to. If your an amateur, go for the Imron (or Alwcraft 200, but not on walking surfaces, its too soft for non-skid IMO). Most of the work is in the prep, so if your not experienced at spraying and you know a boat sprayer that will moonlight, use the paint he likes and get him to guide you a little on all the prep work. In the end, the actually shooting of the paint may account for less than 4 hours.

Bly: Our teak pilot house tables are Imron clear coated. They were epoxy coated with West for 3 coats, clear coated, then wetsanded and buffed. Look gorgeous and the finish is hard. Another technique I am interested in ( for tables) is pooring bar top epoxy (System 3) and then Imron clear coat. I just think it would be faster. I hear Sabre Yachts uses the System 3 bar coat system, but I don't think they do anything after. I wonder about yellowing from UV over time. Their is allot of light coming through those pilot house windows.
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Find somebody who can shoot awlgrip, well worth it. You can only shoot it twice,then gotta wait for it to tack up for the third shot or it will end up in the floor.Its because the way the molecules bond while drying.Paint molecules bond end to end,awlgrip bonds over top one another thats why its so hard and the paint will run like hell. only reason I know that is one of my best friends can paint his @ss off and will only use awlgrip.
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