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Old 03-30-2011, 08:47 PM
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Santana, that's a beautiful set up you had there!
you need to READ Santana's last sentence again and again....and then stop bashing the manufacturer about a swim platform price.


You have a bone to chew and you chose Rinker...and that's the way it is. It's a shame that people that own and enjoy Rinker boats have to read your anger as a slam against a manufacturer....and pay for what you write when they go to sell their boats and buyers read your foolishness as gospel.

Your words will stay on the internet forever...and a sidebar to Mod 2 about that....IB needs to be sensitive to outrageous bashing against manufacturers with nothing but single-person subjective opinion to back it up.

You don't know enough about boats to even know that Sea Ray and Cobalt are in two different leagues....and yet you feel good talking about engineering concepts after the fact on a boat you didn't realize was a pig until you'd spent thousands of dollars upgrading???

Slamming a manufacturer for your own mis-conceptions isn't going to get you a better price for your boat.



...and clean up that bottom that you said was a DIY job. It makes you look bad to the rest of the DIYers on here .
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Hey rick, bama boy, no one asked you to participate in this thread. You just called my Rinker a "pig" and say I am bashing the manufacturer bc I am upset about a bad design of the swim platform?? Hey Isn't it Wednesday night? Go back to your moonshine and cow tippin' cowboy. Move along boy, move along .....
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Wow, this thread has really turned to chit in less than 12 hours...

Not quite a THT record, but a worthy contender!
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What a diatribe. I do feel for your situation but man you need to take a deep breath and focus on what's important. . .................
Jay, I don't know if you are old enough to remember the term "broken record" (where a record was broken and the needle skipped, playing the same part over and over again), but that's what we are dealing with here. The guy is not looking for solutions, he's just looking to be a jerk. In real life, somebody would have punched him by now.

I know people who own Rinkers and they enjoy their boats as much as anyone.
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........say I am bashing the manufacturer bc I am upset about a bad design of the swim platform?? .....
You insist this is a bad design. Are you a naval architect? Do you have any credentials? Anyone to back you up?

I don't think so.
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If we are going to go down this road then I should get helped out by SeaCraft when I start restoring my 1976-23' inboard. I mean after all the decks have some soft spots and were cored with plywood instead of the new composites that are used in todays cores. Right?
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I didn't read the entire thread, but went back to the beginning and read the first dozen or so posts. It strikes me that 4 adults and 4 children on a 27 foot entry level boat with a 300 hp engine is asking too much. the tabs look small to me. The OP has unrealistic expectations for the mfg to correct this issue. Welcome to boating.

Now, if it were my boat, I'd screw a starboard (or, less expensive, UHMW Poly) panel to the underside of the platform to reduce the drag. total cost less than $200.
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:18 AM
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I find it quite interesting that the bitcher is screaming first about $2500 bucks, and its just not 'fair'...then tells us the sad sob story that he has reduced income and $$ is tight(er)(most of us here arent rollin like we were a few years ago income wise) and couldnt possibly spend the $500 bucks and a six pack to unbolt the platform and try her out. He then after making the monetary case goes that he is going to buy a bigger boat as a solution...uhyuh...you do realize the bigger the boat, the more engines and crap it has...the bigger the checks you will be writing with higher frequency right???
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I got to page 5 and needed to post. My 29'er has the swim platform more or less sitting in the water with more than a couple of people on board. Water splashes all around it when going slower. It has a hook at the rear as well acting like a scoop to slow it down.

With all that said, it still gets up on plane with 6-8 people and gear aboard. Never had an issue with it.

I think you are dealing with an underpowered boat that just had enough before, but with the other compounding issues, it just isn't enough power.
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Let me add my 2 cents... If I bought a used boat for $30,000, yeah I would be pissed off if their was a design flaw in the boat. Would I come on a Forum and complain, maybe. Would I be pissed if I got no help from the Manufacturer, probably. Would I be pissed at myself, Yeah. If it was my boat, i would find some way to fix it.
With that said, I boat on the Hudson river and their are quite a few Rinkers at my marina. From what I get from the owners, the 2003 and 2004 25' Rnkers have this issue with the swim platform, first 27' I've heard of. I gotta say for the money Rinkers are a great buy. Some of you guys were pretty hard on the OP. After reading this thread, I don't think I woud post any problems I have with my boat here. No Love at this Forum...
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I would remove the platform if feasible, patch up the holes and roll with it....
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After reading this thread, I don't think I woud post any problems I have with my boat here. No Love at this Forum...
theres no "love" on any forum sir...its a bunch of complete strangers with a broad common interest and that is all...walk into a crowd of strangers and tell them your puppy died and youll get mixed responses...and so it goes...if youre looking for pity when complaining about a problem it probably isnt the best place to go...some have offered possible solutions but many are expecting a lynch mob going after the factory and its not going to happen....
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............ After reading this thread, I don't think I woud post any problems I have with my boat here. No Love at this Forum...
I don't think you're thinking clearly. This is a great place to get help with a problem you have on your boat and if the OP had asked for help with his problem getting on plane with a heavy load on board, he would have had several suggestions.

That's not what he posted. He posted that he was upset with the manufacturer of his boat because they declined to give him (the second owner of an eight year old boat) a free swim platform and pay for the shipping and installation.

He has dismissed all the suggestions on how he might alleviate the problem and continues to harp on the manufacturer and attack anyone who doesn't give him sympathy. He has even posted the same stuff on at least one other boating forum.

If you need help with your boat, go ahead and ask.
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:20 AM
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I have heard this complaint multiple times with similar sized, similar powered boats when add more than a couple people. I used to have a 27' wellcraft with big block that struggled as soon as the drive/prop got a little bit dirty or more than 4 people. Make sure your tabs are working and prop/drive clean. I always had to hve the tabs down and eventually switched to a 4 blade prop.

A friend has a 34' Rinker that suffers from the same problems, as soon as put 6 + people in boat and if the props/ drives are even a little dirty or don't put tabs and drives all the way down, it won't get on plane. Th boat has Bravo 3s with 5.7 Ls and I think it is underpowered.

Basically it is what it is, a decent mid-tier boat that is slightly underpowered and probably not the best design, but less expensive and still enjoyable. It will not perform like a high end, over powered boat. I would suggest looking at different props and larger tabs to start before cut into platform.

It's like buying a 3/4 ton pickup with a 6 cylinder, it may tow and haul, but not like it would with the diesel.
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:22 AM
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Check out the post on page #3 by V12Mac. This is a wedge used as you guys are saying and I think that may work.

OReely, you lost me at the 2" hose but I understand what you are saying with suck vs drag. I think the combo of wedges in between each rib and through hull fittings toward the aft of the swim platform would do her much justice.
The 2" hose is installed temporarily just to test the validity of my suction vs drag theory. I'll try to explain it a little better. You need to introduce air under the platform, so rather than start drilling holes or cutting up the platform, it would be easier and cheaper to just get a couple of lengths of hose so the air has an easy path to follow. You tie one end of the hose to the trim tab ram, lead the hose aft and up over the platform so the other end is in the air. The air will get sucked through the hose and into the cavity behind the transom when you try to take off. This will alleviate the vacuum created under the platform (air will fill the area as the water "falls" away from the transom).

The original Rybo Runner, one of the first hydroplane stepped hulls built in the modern era (about 1977) for retail consumers had a vacuum problem. The chines were filled in at the step because the money guy, Mr Fisher, didn't think people would by the boat with a notch in the chine. The boat wouldn't get on plane during sea trials. Cal Connell, the designer, tied a rope across the bottom of the boat at the step in order to ventilate it. Due to the disturbance of water flow at the rope, the step got vented and the boat popped on plane. This story has stuck with me since Cal told it to me over twenty years ago. When I hear stories like yours the first thing that comes to mind is the Rybo Runner. I've modified several other boats with similar problems over the years.

Any holes you may put in the platform should be at the forward edge, not at the after edge. They should be as close to the transom as possible. If you put them at the back, I'm afraid all you will do is create a roostertail.

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I notch and modify the bottom of a particular padded v-bottom and the owners have to do a small s-cut with the boat to get the air to clear out.

Quite a few years ago, a friend had a Victory 33 that had a bottom somewhat like you pictured, i.e. notched. The boat worked fine when the engines were transom hung but when the owner decided to fill in the transom and hang the engines on a bracket, the trouble started. It seems the transom notch was creating a vacuum and the boat couldn't get on plane. They resolved the problem by filling in the notch. Since you are adding the notch (I'm assuming for performance benefit), venting it to atmosphere might help. A through hull leading up to air might do the trick. Depending on the water flow, the vent could terminate inside the boat or it may need to be routed to a fitting on the side of the boat. One boat I vented, at a certain trim tab setting, it would actually push water up the vent hose and into the boat (upper end was behind a bulkhead well above the waterline). Rerouting the hose solved the problem.

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Yeah, the propellers should've been talked about sooner and the tone going on on this thread is a little disheartening. You've gotten some very good advice ( particularly OReely & Raybo ) ( I thought about venting right away also, but I think I see two vents already ( just above the stern eyes) ), I agree with you that the manufacturer should work with you. I don't see your original original boarding platform being remounted, and I suspect from the information you've provided that they are willing to sell you a newer model boarding platform and the necessary hardware to install it.
I would think that $4-$5 per pound would be a realistic representation of cost for replacement boarding platform from tooling that they have and are using. Your present platform probably weighs near 600 pounds, I'm sure they recognize that not only is the platform mounted too low and exhibits too much drag but also that it was necessary to remove weight from the stern of the boat and have designed a lighter, shorter, and higher platform that is relatively smooth on the bottom ( the old uniflits had a nice design ).
If they were to sell you a 250 pound platform for five dollars a pound that would satisfy my ideals.

There's lots of boats that can move the amount of weight per horsepower that you have quite well, the bottom loading ( pounds per square foot of planing surface ) is very critical in the type of boats work talking about and along with reducing stern weight and drag, an increase in planing surface ( larger trim tabs) is probably the next most logical pursuit...... So, propeller, boarding platform ( have a custom shop build it if the manufacturer hasn't significantly reduced weight ), and bigger trim tabs.
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I saw those cut outs in the platform as well. My guess is they aren't large enough to do the job. I vented the trim tab pockets on a boat with 1.5" fittings and it helped but was still sluggish. Changed out the 1.5s for 2" and the added volume of the larger fittings was all the boat needed to get right on plane.

I also thought about the props, but just wanted to start with the quick and cheap tests the OP could try before expending large sums of money or effort.
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Some of you guys were pretty hard on the OP. After reading this thread, I don't think I woud post any problems I have with my boat here. No Love at this Forum...
As others have stated...
The OP didn't start a thread asking for help or ideas to resolve an issue or problem, he started slinging "shame on Rinker".

I am not the most active person on this forum but I do read quite a bit of it.
Most guys here do offer help, hints and advice when others ask for it, but when there's mud slinging going on, the game changes so to speak.

If this thread were about a YF or Contender, you'd find the same thing as on this thread...
mud slinging from both sides.
This thread just has more guys on 1 side than the other.

At the end of the day, we are all boaters and friends.
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Seems like a practical solution to me.

I would add that from the pictures, the bottom and drive need to be cleaned better and more often.

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I didn't read the entire thread, but went back to the beginning and read the first dozen or so posts. It strikes me that 4 adults and 4 children on a 27 foot entry level boat with a 300 hp engine is asking too much. the tabs look small to me. The OP has unrealistic expectations for the mfg to correct this issue. Welcome to boating.

Now, if it were my boat, I'd screw a starboard (or, less expensive, UHMW Poly) panel to the underside of the platform to reduce the drag. total cost less than $200.
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Ok, I'll confess I did not read the prior 8 pages, but did anyone point out that the Rinker brand of today has little to do with the Rinker of late 2002 when this boat was built?

Rinker was acquired by the investment firm Code Hennessy and Simmons in July 2004 and was subsequently merged with Godfrey Marine in November 2005. Those companies were then acquired by Nautic Global Group in 2007.

Sadly, these types of buyouts and ownership changes are pretty common in the boating industry and the current company ownership typically has little or no responsibility for problems or warranty claims on boats manufactured by previous company owners.
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Ok, I'll confess I did not read the prior 8 pages, but did anyone point out that the Rinker brand of today has little to do with the Rinker of late 2002 when this boat was built?

Rinker was acquired by the investment firm Code Hennessy and Simmons in July 2004 and was subsequently merged with Godfrey Marine in November 2005. Those companies were then acquired by Nautic Global Group in 2007.

Sadly, these types of buyouts and ownership changes are pretty common in the boating industry and the current company ownership typically has little or no responsibility for problems or warranty claims on boats manufactured by previous company owners.
It helps to read before you respond.

Yes, that was pointed out a couple times. Even if it were still the same ownership, the company has no obligation to modify boats previously built and sold whenever there is a new design. Also, this is an eight year old boat, well out of warranty, and on its second owner.
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Rwidman, you are way off base so once again, I ask you not to post unless you have some help.

My gripe w Rinker is their idea of a fix to a bad design which obviously causes poor performance and additional wear and tear to the gear. Their fix is to tell current Rinker customers to suck it up and buy a new platform and brackets as they use on their newer boats. They didn't come up with a true fix to help us out. A $2500 kits is not helping us out. Customer satisfaction nill.

I really like my Rinker, as previously stated. It is my fault, as previously stated, for buying the boat as she is, underpowered, poor swim platform design. Again, buyer beware.

But come on, doesn't Rinker want to keep customers? Not by handling issues like this.
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