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Are these engines almost truly smokeless as the dealer implies? And except the price diff about $500 dollars and warranty which is longer on the rude, Which engine has abetter rep???
Are these engines almost truly smokeless as the dealer implies? And except the price diff about $500 dollars and warranty which is longer on the rude, Which engine has abetter rep???
Not to throw a huge monkey wrench, but the Yamaha F150 IS smokeless, lighter than a 150HPDI, costs less than a 150HPDI, has a better standard warranty the a 150HPDI, and makes a tick more power than a 150HPDI and no 2 stroke oil to mess with.
Are these engines almost truly smokeless as the dealer implies? And except the price diff about $500 dollars and warranty which is longer on the rude, Which engine has abetter rep???
Not to throw a huge monkey wrench, but the Yamaha F150 IS smokeless, lighter than a 150HPDI, costs less than a 150HPDI, has a better standard warranty the a 150HPDI, and makes a tick more power than a 150HPDI and no 2 stroke oil to mess with.
Ditto - ditto -dito - get the f150 - makes 168 hp and you will end up getting the 100 hr check out of guilt, not because it needs it....a 21st century motor...
Here is my issue. I'm buying a Sea Hunt 202. Had plans to buy it with a Johnson 140hp 4 stroke. Dealer can longer get the Johnson. He and others said the Yamaha 115hp 4 stroke would be OK with the boat,even better if I went to a stainless steel prop. I'm really at my $$$ max. Should I spend the extra $2250.00 to step up the the 150hp 4 stroke? My concern is not top end speed by engine longivity. One guy runs the same boat with a 115, speed at 30mph turning 4500 rpm. Other guy with the 150 same speed and turning about 3600 rpm. My guess is the higher the rpm ='s shorter engine life. Am I correct?
i was in the same situation as you
all i wanted to spend when i bought was xxx$, which got me a yam F100
three years later i sold the 100 & bought a suzi 140
i was never happy with the 100, although it ran like a champ
just wasn't fast enough and i was always pinning it at WOT...can't help it
the F150 costs LESS than the 150HPDI
if you want the 150 ponies w/o the price tag, get a 150 carbed 2-stroke
I can't comment on the Yammi hpdi, but the Evinrude 150 ficht is about as close to smokeless in a 2 stroke as you can get. I have a pair of 135 ficht's on my boat which is the same powerhead as the 150's. When I'm at idle speed there is no smoke. When I'm cruising, I still can't see any. I know the engines are using oil as the level does drop in the tank. However these 2 engines use less oil combined than the single 250 OX66 Yamaha I used to have on this boat. My last offshore trip I went 175 miles on 65 gallons of fuel with 1 gallon of oil used. The same trip on the other engine I would have used about 1.75 gallons of oil.
__________________ Salt Shaka III
23' Keywest w/twin 135 Evinrudes
FASTFJR, I don't know if this answered your question or not. But powering that 202 Seahunt with only a 115 is going to work that engine pretty hard. Buy as much hp as you can afford. A bigger engine may last longer as it won't have to work as hard. I've always powered my boats as close to the max as possible, and I've never had an internal engine problem. Although I'm a stickler for keeping up with maintenance. As far as reliability is concerned, the ficht's have had their problems worked out. I do know from talking to other captains and mechanics that the hpdi's seem to use more oil than the fichts. I think that yamaha has resolved their problems as well with the hpdi's. I did alot of carefull research before I bought the ficht's to repower my boat. So far I'm glad I did.
__________________ Salt Shaka III
23' Keywest w/twin 135 Evinrudes
Here is my issue. I'm buying a Sea Hunt 202. Had plans to buy it with a Johnson 140hp 4 stroke. Dealer can longer get the Johnson. He and others said the Yamaha 115hp 4 stroke would be OK with the boat,even better if I went to a stainless steel prop. I'm really at my $$$ max. Should I spend the extra $2250.00 to step up the the 150hp 4 stroke? My concern is not top end speed by engine longivity. One guy runs the same boat with a 115, speed at 30mph turning 4500 rpm. Other guy with the 150 same speed and turning about 3600 rpm. My guess is the higher the rpm ='s shorter engine life. Am I correct?
You brought up the 150HPDI in your original post thread, I was pointing out the F150 would SAVE you money. If you have any complaints about that engine, you will probably be the first!
i have a 200 triton sea hunt. it has carbed merc 125. i would not want any less power. you will have more weight and less power with the 4. spend the $ for 150
Not to throw a huge monkey wrench, but the Yamaha F150 IS smokeless, lighter than a 150HPDI, costs less than a 150HPDI, has a better standard warranty the a 150HPDI, and makes a tick more power than a 150HPDI and no 2 stroke oil to mess with.
At Ed's (http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/) the F150 is $1500 MORE THAN the 150 HPDI...what prices has anyone else seen on these two motors?
Here is my issue. I'm buying a Sea Hunt 202. Had plans to buy it with a Johnson 140hp 4 stroke. Dealer can longer get the Johnson. He and others said the Yamaha 115hp 4 stroke would be OK with the boat,even better if I went to a stainless steel prop. I'm really at my $$$ max. Should I spend the extra $2250.00 to step up the the 150hp 4 stroke? My concern is not top end speed by engine longivity. One guy runs the same boat with a 115, speed at 30mph turning 4500 rpm. Other guy with the 150 same speed and turning about 3600 rpm. My guess is the higher the rpm ='s shorter engine life. Am I correct?
I think you got a lot of answers and recommendations in reply to your other post. Most of them recommended going with the 150, because the 115 was "underpowered." The general rule of thumb is that minimum hull HP should not be below 75% of the max hull HP.
Not to throw a huge monkey wrench, but the Yamaha F150 IS smokeless, lighter than a 150HPDI, costs less than a 150HPDI, has a better standard warranty the a 150HPDI, and makes a tick more power than a 150HPDI and no 2 stroke oil to mess with.
At Ed's (http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/) the F150 is $1500 MORE THAN the 150 HPDI...what prices has anyone else seen on these two motors?
I figured that would happen, just not this quick. That F150 price is almost full retail. Yamaha is supposedly offering back end discounts to dealers for selling 150HPDI's, maybe in the form of Co-op points. Either way, they have a whole wharehouse full of 150HPDI's and are desperate to get rid of them. i would suspect you won't see that motor in the 2006 lineup.
On a second note, I haven't seen the new 2005 retail price sheets, they may have lowered the price to clear out the excessive inventory. If the F150 is 1500 more than an HPDI, it would take me about 8 months to recoup that extra coin I would have laid out. Either way, get the F150!!
I just re-powered with twin 200 HPDI's and can tell you that after start up, they do not smoke. They obviously do smoke, some, because while trolling , down wind, you occasionally smell the exhaust.
Now, I can also tell you that if it wasn't for the 10k + price difference, I would have twin F225's on my Regulator. Get the four stroke if you have the opportunity. I'm happy with my HPDI's, but I am also a big fan of the four strokes. The F150 Yammie is supposed to be one of the best AND it's a four cylinder so it's much smaller/lighter than most four strokes.
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2006 Pursuit 3480 Drummond Island Sportfish
F250 Yamaha's
For what its worth, the prices I have seen put the 150 HPDI 1k plus below the price of the f150. I agree the F150 may be the way to go - unless they offer the HPDI at heavily discounted prices to unload inventory. I agree there seems little point in Yamaha continuing to make the 150 HPDI when the F150 is in production. The 200 HPDI will stay around, since it is dramatically lighter than the F200.
For what its worth, the prices I have seen put the 150 HPDI 1k plus below the price of the f150. I agree the F150 may be the way to go - unless they offer the HPDI at heavily discounted prices to unload inventory. I agree there seems little point in Yamaha continuing to make the 150 HPDI when the F150 is in production. The 200 HPDI will stay around, since it is dramatically lighter than the F200.
In the 2004 pricing the F150 was about $400 cheaper than the HPDI RETAIL. Now if dealers end up with more HPDI's and aren't ordering more, Yamaha can give them incentives to "Lower" the price, as well as the demand for F150's has allowed them to not "Discount" as much brings on the difference in price. But I think the retail price of a F150 IS lower, not that it means much with the demand as it is right now.
I was quoted a box price on an F150 back in April of $10250. I later repowered with one. remove old Johnson V6 and replace with Yamaha F150 including new controls/instruments $13000.
Yamaha 150hp HPDI Vs. Evinrude 150hp HPDI 
