is there a reason why no 2003-2002 CC 25's or Albe's 265-268's are for sale?

[kgs365]

im looking to purchase a used but almost new carolina classic 25 or albe 265-268 and there doesn't seem to be any 2002-2003 boats on the market? where they not produced during these years due to the volvo engine issue?....or is everyone just very happy with the boat?

[Vectorfisher]

KGS there is a CC at Atlantic Boats in Wareham for sale I did not pay too much attention to it but looks to be 24-26' long

[Kid Stuff]

I have been looking in NJ and there are very few on the market in my area. They were produced. Guess everyone is happy.

[Pianotunna]

With all the problems the gas boats had (and still have) over the past couple years, the "buy new" market was destroyed, so obviously the used market for 03's and 04's is slim. Mac stopped making the gas models for a while. I don't know exactly what he is doing now.

These boats also started to become way too expensive to justify buying new. 100K or more for a 25' single engine boat is alot of coin.

[Alec Thigpen]

Sure! People are more careful in selecting boats they really want and intend to use, at least in this price range. Most of us know that the depreciation is just too great to only keep one for a couple of years. Who wants to pay $30K for the use of a new boat for two years? Check back in a couple of years and the 2002s and 2003s should start appearing. I was in Edenton last fall and they were all, and had been, producing a full line of boats at the big three there. So, the boats are out there, but they just aren't up for sale on the used market yet.

[Pianotunna]

My dealer sold 2 25CC's last year and none this year. Last year he sold 15 28's and 2 35's. This year he sold 12 28's, 1 35 and he has 6 people waiting for 32's. His 25 market crashed. He use to average between 6 and 8 new 25's/yr.

These boats do not depreciate very much up here in the NE. I paid 72K for a new 2001 with tax and electronics and sold it this year for 67K.

[Garett]

Kid Stuff,

Check your PM.

[Howdy Bubert]

I wouldn't part with my 2002 265 for anything! Well, maybe to trade up to a Tiara 31 open.

Seriously, if you keep one of these boats for 5-6 years and the newer models of the same boat continue to be popular, you'll get close to what you paid.

I had a 23 Parker walkaround for 9 years. Paid $28k sold it for $23k.

Albemarle is a small manufacturer. They just don't crank 'm out like Grady White or Bayliner. There are probably fewer 265's out there.

[SeaJay]

Most of the better quality boats that are not produced in mass market numbers generally do not make it onto the used boat market for a few years. It is such an expense and process to purchase new that the buyers do not generally go out and sell it right away.

[iawright]

Along with the fact that both Carolina Classic and Albemarle don't produce many boats each year, they have had to juggle their production lines so they can fill the orders. As an example, Albemarle shut down the 240 series line this summer because the orders for the new 268 and 410 were backlogged. I had to wait six months for my 268 last year and it's still a longer wait for one this year. Albemarle also made only a few 265s because they got a poor reputation for having a "tricky" ride. Having driven a couple I can say that they require a delicate and constant touch. The 268 is selling so fast that there are no used ones appearing on the market. I know one dealer who had a 268 sold within an hour after a buyer backed out. Others have talked about the problems Mac has had with Volvo 8.1 exhausts and water injestion. It doesn't seem to be an issue with Mercruiser power plants in the taller Albe engine bay. The only way you'll get my 268 will be to pry it out of my cold dead hands -- if I can't convince my wife to bury me in it!

[lrc]

I researched CC's this year before I bought new. I was looking to buy used for the first time (this was my fourth boat purchase, all new prior to this). I was finally going to eliminate some of that initial depreciation.

2001 and older was where the used inventory was. I traveled to Moorehead NC and must have looked at 15 boats. After I learned about the water ingestion problems on the Volvo EFI's, I almost dropped out of the market until I decided to go diesel. Bought a new 2004 about the time the 2005's were being produced. Used diesels were going for $82K with 400 hours. I bought new for not much more than that, in addition to getting higher horsepower and no regrets. Pushes the hull to 40 mph when needed.

Stay away from the Volvo EFI gas engines. That goes for Carolina Classics, Albemarles and a couple of other hulls. It's not the hull that's the problem, it's the valve overlap design in the EFI gas engines with external exhaust (not through an outdrive).

Plenty of background on this issue in the forum with a search.

[salmonhead]

I agree with what has been said above. I was in your same position 2 years ago. I would do a search on boattrader.com and yaghttrader.com daily to keep up on what is available. With a specialty boat like these and the limited production, you have to be willing to go anywhere to get one. I live in michigan and got really lucky to find the boat that fit my requirements (loaded and fresh water only) right in my back yard. At the time, there were only 8 CC25's on the market listed on the websites that were used and only 2 were freshwater boats. one was out of my price range and didnt have the equipment i was looking for and I bought the other one. Mine is a 2000 and has the 7.4 Volvo system. I have over 1300 hours and have not had any issues with the water injestion that has plagued some of the other boats. I also have an innercooler and heat exchanger if that makes a difference I dont know. Like others said above.. the only way anyone will get that boat from me is to kill me first (I am heavily armed so you will have a good fight on your hands) or I move up to the 32 or 35. I think most people just love them, and when you drop the coin on one it is more than a 2 or 3 year commitment.

[kgs365]

inner cooler and heat exchanger , is this a retro item on the volvo? does anyone know the cost and if this solves the closed loop open loop water injestion problems?

[lrc]

Read the thread carefully:

http://thehulltruth.net/forums/threa...=29120&start=1

Fresh water cooling makes no difference.

[gottaway]

I don't know if this is going to jinx me or what... but here goes.
Since the exhaust recall I haven't had a problem with my '99-265 Albie.
Now about 750 hours. Have some patience, you may have to wait for the spring.

[Sandtiger]

iawright - 11/4/2004 5:52 PM

Along with the fact that both Carolina Classic and Albemarle don't produce many boats each year, they have had to juggle their production lines so they can fill the orders. As an example, Albemarle shut down the 240 series line this summer because the orders for the new 268 and 410 were backlogged.

I and a friend toured the Albemarle factory (given by their president) one Saturday morning in August and I'm positive thatere was a couple 24s on the floor. Interesting process and it was informative.