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Old 01-14-2011, 07:23 PM
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Been lurking for a while and decided to make a post. Looking to buy a mud engine jon boat to fish shallow weedy lakes. Wondering if any own one and can give me some pointers on how to buy one and what to expect. Been looking at a Gator Tail motor which has reverse and nuetral. I'm aware of the limitaions with speed but like the benefit of being able to go just about anywhere. Will be chasing bass and doing some back country. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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Check out the go-devils.
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Gator tails are the shits! They are loud, but not much to stopping them. If there is enough water to wet half the bottom of the boat, the gator tail will go thru it. Logs and stumps don't screw with it. Look at the 35hp. A buddy of mine has one on a 21' crawfish skiff that pushes it around 37mph with 3 people and duck hunting gear on board. His is 5 years old, used year round crawfishing and all and he had to replace the bearing in the lower unit this year at a cost under $100 doing the work himself. Its a beast!
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Have you considered an airboat? Water is optional.

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Theres an article about these boats in the latest issue (Jan 2011) of Trailer Boats magazine. Seems like just the thing for what you want to do with it.

http://www.mudbuddy.com/

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Great info guys. going to check out the article. Airboat is nice to get you there but a Jon boat is more manurable in tight spots and as loud as i understand those mud motors can be, I don't have to wear ear protection. Would also be nice to change out the mud motor for a standard tiller when fishing areas with deeper water. Not sure if that's an option or best to just leave the motor on permanently.
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I have owned countless mud rigs. go devils, mud buddy and pro drive. Gator trax, pro drive, custom crawfish skiff and paired a few with different production jon boats.

I can save you some time and give you some pointers-
There is a website dedicated to these types of rigs. lots of info there.

If you read for days you will discover the three brands with the most loyal repeat buyers are go devil, pro drive and gator tail. this is primarly from a customer support standpoint. go devil does not offer many of the options others do. they keep it simple. gator tail has trim and push button reverse useful at ramps and such. pro drive has trim and full power reverse. the lower unit rachets around backwards and it hard to believe what it will pull you off of. My last three rigs have all had 36hp pro drives with trim and full power reverse. Without question my next rig will be a pro drive 1848 x1 hull with a pro drive 36hp FPR and trim. Another thing that has become important to me is the fact I run the pro drive sitting down. I won't bore you with the details but I was running a motor that you had to stand to run. I got thrown out in 10 degree weather at slow idle putting out decoys. I'm lucky I survived the ordeal.

here are a few pics of former rigs of mine. I buy new before duck season and sell them as soon as it ends. Don't make any money but I start each season with a new rig.

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Gator tails are the shits! Look at the 35hp. A buddy of mine has one on a 21' crawfish skiff that pushes it around 37mph with 3 people and duck hunting gear on board.
Are you sure? ever seen that on a gps or radar? I'm betting you haven't.
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I own a Mudbuddy Hyper Sport 35 and use it a fair amount for duck hunting and a bit for fishing. From my experiences I will suggest two things.

1. What ever brand you get make sure to get a surface drive version. They are way way easier to drive than a longtail.

2. Buy the biggest one you can possbile afford. They are not the most hp efficient rigs out there.

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I had the other boats also,if you want a shallow running boat get an airboat.where I fish winter tides can be a challenge.here is a low tide in my area,we where headed to get oysters.3 adults and 3 kids.

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DVR's rig is what I'm looking for. Something simple to go bass and red fishing with. Need to do more research on surfase vs longtail. Definitely prefer the biggest motor available. Will have to see about the airboats. Never been on one but been around then and they are noisy. Just want to be able to get into the shallow weedy stuf. No duck hunting just fishing. Need to search the dedicated forums and learn more before spending my money.
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Check out this link. Shows so tips on rigging a redfish skiff inexpensivley.

http://www.redchaser.com/flatsboatonbudget.htm

And fwiw airboats are very very pricey and expensive to operate compared to a john boat and mud motor.
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Check out this link. Shows so tips on rigging a redfish skiff inexpensivley.

http://www.redchaser.com/flatsboatonbudget.htm

And fwiw airboats are very very pricey and expensive to operate compared to a john boat and mud motor.
Good read. I actually considered getting a bare Carolina Skiff and hooking up a tiller and poling platform. Going to give them another look come the Miami Boat Show. Can't believe it's that time of the year again.
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DVR's rig is what I'm looking for. Something simple to go bass and red fishing with. Need to do more research on surfase vs longtail. Definitely prefer the biggest motor available. Will have to see about the airboats. Never been on one but been around then and they are noisy. Just want to be able to get into the shallow weedy stuf. No duck hunting just fishing. Need to search the dedicated forums and learn more before spending my money.
buy a hull actually made for the motor you are buying. drive to south La and demo go devil, gator tail and pro drive. you don't want a longtail. They are like shovels- very good at doing the job they are designed for, not so easy to operate.
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From expierience on a go-devil, i would go with airboat just because of the fact that you can go anywhere, and i mean anywhere on an airboat. And also with a long shaft on a go-devil it is nearly impossible to manage that thing tight manuevering situations
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I need to check out some airboats. How expensive are these rigs?
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Here are a coupla other things to consider:

Mudboats are not fast, so don't expect too much speed out of one. The same size HP in an outboard will be much faster.

Mudboats do not do well in sandy environments. If you have a lot of sand, consider other options. They do well in mud, hence their name.

I've also run the twin-engine mudboat - it is too heavy at the transom, definitely not worth pursuing.

A boat with a good tunnel design and good prop will go just about anywhere a mudboat will, except over logs. I've run good prop boats and they will run in 3-4 inches of water, and less water when there is soupy mud available. However, it is difficult to find a good tunnel boat that is set up correctly. A Majek RFL is a good start, as well as other TX flats boat mfrs. such as Trans, Shallowsport, Flatscat, Shoalwater, Dargel, etc. A good tunnel setup will give you this: "if you can't see it, you won't hit it with the prop". If you do hit it, you don't have a good tunnel setup.

Airboats are the shallowest of all boats (except hovercraft, but they are considered a type of airboat); however, they are expensive, noisy, inefficient, and limited in their utility. IOW, they serve as excellent transportation in difficult conditions, but they aren't much for fishing out of, or pulling tubers, etc. They do make good sightseeing boats, though. They are great fun, but again, used mostly for getting from Point A to Point B, or for having lotsa fun screwing around, or as search-n-rescue boats, but not much utility-wise.

A small jon boat with small motor will get you into many shallow spots as long as you are willing to hop out and drag it thru really shallow water. Look at boats 14'-18', under 500lbs, with 25hp outboard. They aren't good for rough water, though.
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Here are a coupla other things to consider:

Mudboats are not fast, so don't expect too much speed out of one. The same size HP in an outboard will be much faster.

Mudboats do not do well in sandy environments. If you have a lot of sand, consider other options. They do well in mud, hence their name.

I've also run the twin-engine mudboat - it is too heavy at the transom, definitely not worth pursuing.

A boat with a good tunnel design and good prop will go just about anywhere a mudboat will, except over logs. I've run good prop boats and they will run in 3-4 inches of water, and less water when there is soupy mud available. However, it is difficult to find a good tunnel boat that is set up correctly. A Majek RFL is a good start, as well as other TX flats boat mfrs. such as Trans, Shallowsport, Flatscat, Shoalwater, Dargel, etc. A good tunnel setup will give you this: "if you can't see it, you won't hit it with the prop". If you do hit it, you don't have a good tunnel setup.

Airboats are the shallowest of all boats (except hovercraft, but they are considered a type of airboat); however, they are expensive, noisy, inefficient, and limited in their utility. IOW, they serve as excellent transportation in difficult conditions, but they aren't much for fishing out of, or pulling tubers, etc. They do make good sightseeing boats, though. They are great fun, but again, used mostly for getting from Point A to Point B, or for having lotsa fun screwing around, or as search-n-rescue boats, but not much utility-wise.

A small jon boat with small motor will get you into many shallow spots as long as you are willing to hop out and drag it thru really shallow water. Look at boats 14'-18', under 500lbs, with 25hp outboard. They aren't good for rough water, though.
I can tell you by experience that a jon boat with an outboard will not come close to where a jon boat with a mud motor will get through. I had a jon boat with a Go-Devil 23HP longtail and I could get anywhere in Flamingo. The longtail is a tiring experience to drive, it really does a number on your shoulders. Also most mud type motors are not galvanized or protected for saltwater, so make sure it is applicable for salt water. I think where the airboat excels over the mudboat is the visibility when travelling thorough high grass and of coarse when theirs basically no water. But I fished my longtail where the redfish tail and their bodies are partially out of the water.
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This awesome info and glad I posted. Need to do more research and check out the other forum. The boat show is around the corner so this will be a good time to do some checking. Based on what vie gathered so far, seems like a Gator Tail is the most sophisticated and according to their owner, suited for salt water. Didn't know these would work with a tunnel hull. Something else to check out.

Was told that sometimes the marine patrol would hassle you because of the mud motors because some decide to rip up the bottom. Would be nice to get deep into some of those back waters where only kayaks would travel.
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