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Old 12-24-2010, 09:59 PM
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Guys, I am new to this site. However, in reading many posts regarding ethanol gasoline from boaters in Louisiana, I see that there is a real need for Louisiana fishermen and boaters to learn where to find ethanol free gas.

I am a retired Chemist who worked in the refining and petrochemical industry in Louisiana for over 32 years. I became interested in ethanol gas issues when "E-10" first appeared in south Louisiana. I am an avid fisherman. I then started to hear the horror stories of engine problems and failures with ethanol gas usage. I have a 150 Hp Yamaha HPDI engine on a 19' bay boat. When I contacted my Yamaha dealer who services my engine, he assured me that 1995 and newer Yamaha engines are designed to operate on 10% ethanol gas; HOWEVER, he strongly suggested NOT TO USE IT if I could find ethanol free gasoline.

That's when I started to research ethanol gasoline issues. I began to compile a list of articles about ethanol gas issues and an ethanol free gas station list in Louisiana in partnership with Louisiana Sportsman (www.louisianasportsman.com). I have since branched out to form my own web site called www.realgas.info. The site I have still has a link on Louisiana Sportsman (under the Fishing Forum title on the home page and is found under the "Ethanol Info Page" - called "Pete" Landrys Realgas.info) Or, just type in www.realgas.info on your address bar. The current site if somewhat ameturish, but is in the stage of being totally re-designed by a professional web master. I currently have a list of over 600 ethanol free gas stations in Louisiana on the site, searchable by Parish and City. When I update the list soon, I'll have over 750 stations. I also have a dozen or more articles related to ethanol free gas. They are currently not in a searchable form (PDF file), so you have to scroll down the "Articles" page to view what you'd like to read.

I concentrated the initial ethanol free gas station list search on the south Louisiana coastal areas where we have more fishermen than other parts of the State. I obtained a list of all the gas stations in Louisiana (3,350) from the State Department of Agriculture. I contact the Gas Distributors and ask them to provide me with a list of stations they supply with ethanol free gas. I also direct call stations. Lastly, boaters and fishermen e-mail me when they find an ethanol free station that is currently not on the list so I can add it to the list.

A few things I learned during this search for ethanol free gas stations. While the EPA only requires refineries to sell 8.25% of their total gasoline sales in 2010 as RFS (renewal fuel - ethanol constitutes over 95% of RFS), three refiners have elected to sell ALL (nearly 100%) of their gas as ethanol gas........Exxon/Mobil, Shell and Chevron/Texaco. So, don't bother to even look at these stations. Most Conoco stations are ethanol free. I probably have over 75 ethanol free Conoco stations on the list. Also, you are more likely to find ethanol free gas from convenience stores (except for Cracker Barrel and Circle K stores - they are all ethanol gas) and small groceries than major stations. Expect to pay between 5 - 20 cents/gallon more for ethanol FREE gas compared to ethanol gas. This is a big "rip off". Distributors give gas stations a 4.9 cents/gallon tax credit for selling ethanol gas. Therefore, the ethanol free gas should not cost more than 5 - 10 cents/gallon higher than ethanol gas.

Fishermen also asked me my thoughts on a fuel additive. I researched 6 additives. The one I settled on is Sta-Bil (the blue Marine Formula). I spoke with the Gold Eagle Company that makes it and with their chief chemist. They have lots of fuel stablilzer in their additive, and also have a corrosion inhibitor, which not other additive maker has that I am aware of. Ethanol/water is corrosive to aluminum fuel tanks and engine parts. Even if you don't use ethanol gas, I still recommend using the blue Sta-Bil. NEVER use a fuel additive that contains any form of alcohol in the additive........if you do, you're only making matters worse!

Hope to have my redesigned web site completed by mid January. You'll see the difference. In addition to articles, the ethanol free gas station list, there will also be a section called "Breaking News" and an "Ethanol Forum". Meanwhile, check out the current www.realgas.info

Tight lines! And Merry Christmas to you and yours.

"Pete" Landry

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Old 12-25-2010, 04:58 AM
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thank for the info
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:45 AM
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You might also check out two products by Schaeffer Mfg, www.schaefferoil.com
Neutra- a great well balanced gas additive and fuel stabilizer and their product called Soy Ultra. This adds more lubricity and cleaner than any product on the market.
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I was at a Convenience Store getting non-ethanol gas for my boat when the tanker pulled up. The driver said his truck delivers pure regular, pure ethyl and E85. This way the station owners can formulate their own 10% (or higher) for any of the 3 grades, they can also sell E85 or pure regular, mid grade or ethyl.

Is there a quick way to tell if there's any ethanol in the gas you're getting (and how much)? It would be easy for these stations to be upping the ethanol ratio without our knowing it.
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I thought if the gas has ethanol in it, the pump needed a sticker that said "10% (or whatever) ethanol".
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I thought if the gas has ethanol in it, the pump needed a sticker that said "10% (or whatever) ethanol".
It suppose to.
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As far as checking for ethanol check out this site http://www.fueltestkit.com States have different regulations whether they have to post the ethanol content. Not sure about yours.
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I was at a Convenience Store getting non-ethanol gas for my boat when the tanker pulled up. The driver said his truck delivers pure regular, pure ethyl and E85. This way the station owners can formulate their own 10% (or higher) for any of the 3 grades, they can also sell E85 or pure regular, mid grade or ethyl.

Is there a quick way to tell if there's any ethanol in the gas you're getting (and how much)? It would be easy for these stations to be upping the ethanol ratio without our knowing it.
Jeffnick:

South Carolina has a State Labeling Law that requires the pumps be labeled if the gasoline contains greater than 1.5% ethanol. If you don't own an ethanol test kit, strongly suggest you buy one. I use one from a company called "Fuel Testers". It works great and is re-useable. You can buy it at this site:
http://www.fuel-testers.com/order.html

One more thing..........NEVER, EVER put gasoline with greater than 10% ethanol in your marine engine. All outboard marine engines say that if gasoline with greater than 10% ethanol is used, it will damage the engine and void the warranty. E-85 fuel (it's not gasoline) is a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. It can be used ONLY in vehicles designed to use it......they have a decal on back of the car or truck that says "FLEX Fuel". If you have a vehicle that is a "FLEX FUEL" vehicle, and you find a station that carries "E-85", your fuel mileage will be reduced by a WHOPPING 40%!

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Guys, each State has their own laws regarding labeling of fuel pumps dispensing ethanol gasoline. A site called "Fuel-Testers" has a listing of those state laws, and also sells ethanol fuel test kits. If you don't own an ethanol fuel test kit, I STRONGLY recommend you buy one. I use the one from "Fuel-Testers" and it work very well and is re-useable.

Fuel-Testers: http://www.fuel-testers.com/index.html

NEVER, EVER put gasoline with greater than 10% ethanol!. Every marine engine manufacturer says that use of gasoline with greater than 10% ethanol will damage the engine and void it's warranty. Same is true for any gas powered lawn and garden tools, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, jet skis, etc.

I address many ethanol gasoline questions and issues on my web site: www.realgas.info (the site is currently under a major re-design by a professional web master.......current site is useable, but not nearly as professional as I would like).

You may have heard that the Federal EPA in October approved gasoline with 15% ethanol, for 2007 and newer cars and light trucks. They are also testing 2001 thru 2006 cars. However, whether 15% ethanol gas ever makes it to gas stations is in doubt. There have been lawsuits filed against the EPA by the NMMA (National Marine Manufacturers Association), the NPRA (National Petroleum Refiners Association which represents just about all oil refiners in the US), the US and Foreign automobile manufacturers association, the Meat Manufacturers Association, the Food Producers Association, and others.

Also, the Federal Subsidy for ethanol plants and refiners expires on Friday of this week (December 31st). The new Republican Congress, when it takes office has said they will stop this credit and not renew it. It's just one of many wasteful spending of our taxpayer monies the Washington idiots are doing.

I'll post in early January after the new Congress takes office how to contact your US Congressman and demand he support stopping the Federal tax credit to ethanol plants and refiners for blending ethanol gasoline. This subsidy costed us, the taxpayers, $9 billion last year! We must stop this waste of our monies.

Hope this helps answer some of your questions.

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