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Old 12-06-2010, 05:52 PM
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Alright, so I know most of you are used to dealing with 30+ footers with inboard engines and don't have to worry about this, but I do..

I've got a 26' foot Trophy with an I/O and a Mercury Alpha One outdrive. I do a lot of trolling on the Great Lakes and I would like to add a small 9.9HP kicker motor for better fuel economy and control. I've been told to simply add a bracket from the outboard to the outdrive to be able to steer from the helm, but the engine has a power steering system basically rendering steering difficult to near impossible when the engine is off. Has anyone found a solution to this? If so, I'd be glad to hear it..

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Might consider a RemoteTroll bracket. Can be fitted to your boat and has electric steering via 20' cable or, I think remote control. Take a look at their site, remotetroll.com and see if you think might work. I have a bracket for sale that I used for 5 years after using another one for 17 years. PM me if you would like to discuss this further.
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I've looked at that option, yes. However, for next season I would like to have autopilot installed on the boat so I'm not constantly at the controls while trying to fish, especially in large chop. I'm not sure that option would work with autopilot, unless you could link it to the steering wheel.
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The TR1 autopilot used to let you control the kicker. If you can still find one (I believe that the company was bought by Garmin)--that would work for you.
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Really? I had no idea. Funny, that was the autopilot I was looking into as well. I'll do some more research.

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an IO at troll speeds of 5knots will get about the same economy as the 9.9 kicker b/c the kicker will be running at just about full throttle and the IO will just idling....if you are trolling at very slow speed <3knts the kicker is more economical.....something to take into account if you decide to spend 3K + on a TR1 (very good AP by all accounts)
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I also troll the great lakes(Ontario),and run a T8 Yamaha kicker on my 23 Seacraft,and it also has power steering.It steers effortlessly with the I/O (350 mercruiser)off.
I know exactly what you're talking about as previously I had a 21 Trophy with a cobra drive and power steering.
It was almost impossible to steer with the I/O off.My right arm was like Popeyes.

When I restored the Seacraft,I went with a rotary steering system.The Trophy had a rack system,and maybe that's the reason it was terrible to steer.
I can only say that with the ROTARY system,I can turn the wheel with very little effort with the I/O engine off.
I have the kicker linked to the out drive with an EZ-Steer connector rod.

I thought about a TR-1 they are sweet but expensive.I made the decision to buy a Radar instead.For now steering is not an issue anymore thank god.
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I have the TR-1 auto pilot on my Yamaha T-8 with tilt. Best thing I ever added.
It is available from Garmin dealers and if you have it installed by a Garmin dealer they add on an additional year to the standard 1 year guarantee. I bought mine online for about $1800
and did my own install. The hardest part was finding a good location for the compass ball.
The TR-1 can be found on many boats here in the Pac NW that troll for salmon.
As far a I'm concerned this is the only way to go on a kicker.
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an IO at troll speeds of 5knots will get about the same economy as the 9.9 kicker b/c the kicker will be running at just about full throttle and the IO will just idling....if you are trolling at very slow speed <3knts the kicker is more economical.....something to take into account if you decide to spend 3K + on a TR1 (very good AP by all accounts)
We've done the research and the kicker is a far more economical choice. In the great lakes the fastest you'd be trolling would be right around the 3-4knts range.

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I know exactly what you're talking about as previously I had a 21 Trophy with a cobra drive and power steering.
It was almost impossible to steer with the I/O off.My right arm was like Popeyes.
I had the marina take a look at the steering system and they said they would be able to change it to a hydraulic steering system, which would allow me to install the TR-1 (as of now, it is not compatible with the steering) and that would probably allow me to run an E-Z steer bar to the kicker.

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As far a I'm concerned this is the only way to go on a kicker.
I've heard nothing but good about the TR-1, another great thing being is that it should seamlessly integrate with my current electronics, which are Garmin's.
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I had a 26 Trophy dinette layout for a few years on Lake Ontario

I found that 9.9 was too small when going into a head wind

Traded it for a 15 and it worked great
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I had a 26 Trophy dinette layout for a few years on Lake Ontario

I found that 9.9 was too small when going into a head wind

Traded it for a 15 and it worked great
were you using the yamaha 9.9 high thrust ??
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http://www.marinetechproducts.com/pages/ElectroSteer/

Check out the T4...I have it on my 23 seacraft along with a trollmaster pro 3 it works great and costs way less
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were you using the yamaha 9.9 high thrust ??
Merc, not high thrust
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I have trolled on Lake Erie since 1983 and many kickers and use many combinations--- the best and yes cost the most--- get a Yam T8 High thrust mount on Bobs kicker bracket control with TR Gold auto pilot This unit works great--- controls the boat and will troll down to 1.5 at present have the unit on 27 ft Sportscraft inboard mounted in the middle and 25ft Baha I/O mounted on port side I have a whole list of don't do--
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Back again--when I say TR Gold-- that is the auto pilot for the kicker not the auto pilot for the I/O -- If I had to do it over again I would go with the TR Gold and forget going with a full auto pilot FYI----- they lower the limit to 4 eyes in 2011
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Great suggestions, I'll look into them.

My main dilemma is the fact that I want autopilot on both the main engine and kicker motor for the occasional overnight and runs across the lake we do. I really don't want to drop $6000 for two autopilot systems.
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I understand the problem--- If you already have HY steering just get Garmin GP 10 and hook the kicker to the O/D with easy steer-- FYI get the right length of easy steer otherwise it will come apart-If you have rotary steering starting looking for HY steering -- I would NOT recommend auto pilot with cable steering to steer kicker--HY steering will work with the main engine turned off---

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I use a hydraulic pump to turn my 9.8 kicker with a toggle switch on the dash to steer it. After the boat is going straight I can steer with the outdrive if I'm only making wide turns. One quarter turn of the wheel normally does it. My neighbor and I made this, we used a hydraulic pump and cylinder out of a 1960 Corvair convertible since he had 2 laying around his garage for 30 years we though we would try it. This works great. I also fish Lake Erie and the 9.8 4 stoke is a great gas save, I can troll all day on 3 gallons of gas. If you like I can post some pictures.
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I understand the problem--- If you already have HY steering just get Garmin GP 10 and hook the kicker to the O/D with easy steer-- FYI get the right length of easy steer otherwise it will come apart-If you have rotary steering starting looking for HY steering -- I would NOT recommend auto pilot with cable steering to steer kicker--HY steering will work with the main engine turned off---
Looking at it all now, hydraulic steering with an E/Z Steer bar is probably my best option. I'll do some more research but it seems like this is the simplest and cheapest way to go about rigging something like this up.

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If you like I can post some pictures.
If you could, that would be awesome. I'm just looking to see if there is any easier ways to rig this up.
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were you using the yamaha 9.9 high thrust ??


Get the high thrust or the right prop. Standard prop won't work well..
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