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Old 11-05-2010, 06:46 AM
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I am looking to shine the Grady up in the offseason (it have very little shine left) and see the Surehold products advertised everywhere. Anybody have any luck with them? I have historically used the 3m product with Starbrite PTF polish/wax. Seems to work ok, but a ton of elbow grease to restore the shine. I am using a cheap Sears Orbital polisher, which I also wonder may contribute to the work.
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I am looking to shine the Grady up in the offseason (it have very little shine left) and see the Surehold products advertised everywhere. Anybody have any luck with them? I have historically used the 3m product with Starbrite PTF polish/wax. Seems to work ok, but a ton of elbow grease to restore the shine. I am using a cheap Sears Orbital polisher, which I also wonder may contribute to the work.
I've been tempted to buy the Shurehold polisher but it's a little pricey for something you can't try before you buy.

The orbital polishers don't seem to do much although I've had some success applying the wax with a Harbor Freight rotary polisher and removing it with a Ryobi orbital (cheap).

The harbor Freight polisher is pretty heavy and has only a six foot or so cord. For me, the junction between the polisher cord and the extention cord keeps ending up in the water and tripping the GFCI on the dock. A longer cord wouldn't do that.
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.....For me, the junction between the polisher cord and the extention cord keeps ending up in the water and tripping the GFCI on the dock. A longer cord wouldn't do that.
Maybe take 4.5 feet off the tool cord? Then when the junction goes in the drink so does the day.

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Regardless of the brand, make sure you get a Random oribital buffer - not just a wheel.

Pros can use the non-random type buffers, but for the rest of us, a random orbital is the best bet.
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Maybe take 4.5 feet off the tool cord? Then when the junction goes in the drink so does the day.

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Regardless of the brand, make sure you get a Random oribital buffer - not just a wheel.

Pros can use the non-random type buffers, but for the rest of us, a random orbital is the best bet.
Bill, since this is something you would know about, how about some recommendations? Something between the $29 orbital that stops when you press on it and the $159 (plus $20 each for pads) Shurehold.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:55 AM
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A Porter Cable 7424XP is a great tool, here is my 10 year old hull after using it:





I would only recommend a rotary buffer if your gelcoat is in really bad shape, otherwise its overkill in my opinion.
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I have the Shurehold and it is a great, top-quality product. It is the same thing Griot's Garage has been selling for 10+ years to car guys, and essentially the same as a Porter Cable model, - I also have a cheap-o $30 random orbital buffer. The cheap one is lighter, so it is easier to use as the day wears on. You can find these wearing a wide range of brand names - Just like the case with Shurehold's buffer, the company that sells it is not the company that makes it, so the brand name it is wearing is usually not critical.

IMO, unless the finish is really bad and you're using rubbing compound to bring it back, the cheap one is all you need to apply and remove a good polymer polish or wax.
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I've used cheap and quality (read expensive) buffers, and I've found its pretty difficult to mess up gel coat with one. You'd almost have to try, IMO. Presently I have a cheapo HF 7" buffer with a velcro head and a few Great lakes wool pads. They seem to be able to do everything I need them to.

Ive also got a PC 7424 RO with about 10 different color foam pads, and can't find a use for it on my boat. They seem to work best for cars.
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I did a lot of research and the Griots Garage/Shurehold model is actually a touch more powerful then the Porter Cable. If you buy from Griots they offer a lifetime warranty I believe.
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Ive also got a PC 7424, with about 10 different color foam pads, and can't find a use for it on my boat. They seem to work best for cars.
Strange, had great results with mine.
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The 7424 won't allow any heat to build up between the pad and the surface. If there is snug oxidation, surface irregularities, anything-it won't touch it.
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Hmm something is weird here- my 7424XP will heat the pads right up. Is yours the XP or the regular model? There is a difference.
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If you have very little shine left if any then you need to compound your gelcoat. Get the harbor freight buffer, some 3m rubbing compound, some 3m finesse it II and then the wax of your choice. Compound with a wool pad, follow up with the finesse it AFTER you have cleaned the area and replaced your pad with a new one, once the result is to your liking you can hand apply the wax.

Gelcoat on boats is not like the paint on your cars, gel is much thicker and much more difficult to really damage, if you put swirl marks in it then they can be buffed out with ease. That said, this is ALOT of work to really bring everything back to 100%, you could wetsand the gelcoat instead of using rubbing compound, do a search there will be more information than you care to read on this subject.
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A Porter Cable 7424XP is a great tool, here is my 10 year old hull after using it:





I would only recommend a rotary buffer if your gelcoat is in really bad shape, otherwise its overkill in my opinion.
What kind of compound and polish did you use for that finish? It looks great!
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Thanks- I used Collinite Fiberglass Cleaner #920 followed up with one coat of Collinite Fleetwax #885.

Water will still bead after 6 months in the water- it is the best wax I have found and I have tried a lot, detailing is my hobby.
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