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Old 10-16-2010, 07:40 AM
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You are clueless to the effects of ethanol, and you sound like a lobbyest for corn growers. I'm privileged to own a boat? What does that mean?
Sorry, No lobbiest for corn growers...farthest from that, however, I have knowlegde of the ethanol industry. I know many issues boaters face with ethanol, so I am not "clueless"

Ethanol is here to stay...The issue is that people will whine and complain about issues that will not be changing, and refuse to change their point of view.

As far as "privileged to own a boat..." A boat is generally a luxury item for most ( unless you make your living with one) and if you have disposal income to own, operate and maintain one, the expectation is that one spends money to maintain it properly.
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Sorry, No lobbiest for corn growers...farthest from that, however, I have knowlegde of the ethanol industry. I know many issues boaters face with ethanol, so I am not "clueless"

Ethanol is here to stay...The issue is that people will whine and complain about issues that will not be changing, and refuse to change their point of view.

As far as "privileged to own a boat..." A boat is generally a luxury item for most ( unless you make your living with one) and if you have disposal income to own, operate and maintain one, the expectation is that one spends money to maintain it properly.
You can get ethanol rated hose, yep. We pretty much all have it. It has been since about '91. But ethanol + water.. Nope. It's reactive when it absorbs water and since boats have vented tanks until the EPA cracks down on that we have a problem with water in it.
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maybe i am wrong, but i thought i heard it took more than a gallon of diesel to produce a gallon of ethanol ??
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We all are a very privileged few in the world that have the luxury of having boats for recreational use. The use of ethanol is here to stay and it may cost s a little bit more...That's life
Privileged? Where did you go to school? I guess they teach HARD WORK, SACRIFICE, INTEGRITY, DETERMINATION, DRIVE, GOAL-ORIENTED is a privilege these days? That explains a lot.
I sure am glad my family crossed the pond 300 yr ago, then fought/killed/sacrificed to gain their independence from "that life".

Some choose to be led to the trough, some choose not.
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Privileged? Where did you go to school? I guess they teach HARD WORK, SACRIFICE, INTEGRITY, DETERMINATION, DRIVE, GOAL-ORIENTED is a privilege these days? That explains a lot.
I sure am glad my family crossed the pond 300 yr ago, then fought/killed/sacrificed to gain their independence from "that life".

Some choose to be led to the trough, some choose not.
OK, I shouldn’t, but I’ll bite.

Unless you paid cash for your boat, you are just another indebted consumer who bought something you didn’t need with money you didn’t have.

That has little to do with “HARD WORK, SACRIFICE, INTEGRITY, DETERMINATION, DRIVE, GOAL-ORIENTED”

If you own your boat free and clear, I apologize in advance.

If you don’t, the only one who has been “led to the trough” is you by the “good life” marketeers of America the indebted

And it’s scary how people such as you somehow equate indebtedness with patriotism.

Your “patriotism” has brought America to its knees.

Owning a boat is a luxurious privilege. Plenty of threads here speak to the high cost of boat ownership. And that’s great if you can afford it. But if you’re not stashing substantial money away for retirement while you’re doing all your boating, then you are not practicing the sacrifice and goal-orientation that you preach.


Yes, I own my very-modest boat free and clear, and yes, I spend a great deal of time with personal financial planning.


Go ahead, blast away and tell me how great debt is or how going into your 60’s without serious dough in the bank is a good plan.

I know my post is preachy (but so was yours), but I’m just tired of the entitlement mentality of grasshoppers.

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1. E15 is not mandated for marine engines
2. I, like many others here, have had no problems running ethanol (think Racor, Startron)
3. I support decreased dependency on foreign oil
4. I support alternative energy usage (you want meaningful jobs? That would be a chunk right there)
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Here is a link to gas stations that sell NON Ethanol Gasoline.
http://pure-gas.org/
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ok, i shouldn’t, but i’ll bite.

Unless you paid cash for your boat, you are just another indebted consumer who bought something you didn’t need with money you didn’t have.

That has little to do with “hard work, sacrifice, integrity, determination, drive, goal-oriented”

if you own your boat free and clear, i apologize in advance.

If you don’t, the only one who has been “led to the trough” is you by the “good life” marketeers of america the indebted

and it’s scary how people such as you somehow equate indebtedness with patriotism.

Your “patriotism” has brought america to its knees.

Owning a boat is a luxurious privilege. Plenty of threads here speak to the high cost of boat ownership. And that’s great if you can afford it. But if you’re not stashing substantial money away for retirement while you’re doing all your boating, then you are not practicing the sacrifice and goal-orientation that you preach.


Yes, i own my very-modest boat free and clear, and yes, i spend a great deal of time with personal financial planning.


Go ahead, blast away and tell me how great debt is or how going into your 60’s without serious dough in the bank is a good plan.

I know my post is preachy (but so was yours), but i’m just tired of the entitlement mentality of grasshoppers.

Signed,

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and btw:

1. E15 is not mandated for marine engines
2. I, like many others here, have had no problems running ethanol (think racor, startron)
3. I support decreased dependency on foreign oil
4. I support alternative energy usage (you want meaningful jobs? That would be a chunk right there)
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Here is a link to gas stations that sell NON Ethanol Gasoline.
http://pure-gas.org/
Thanks for the link! I am going to give the station near my house a try!
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We have had the 15% ethanol in WI for several years. Availibility is limited but no one here is clammering for it and it has not expanded much if at all. Pretty much a bust as long as it is a voluntary thing. A farmer who rents land from me and has a dairy farm hates ethanol because it drives up the cost of feed for his cows.
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Ethanol is here to stay...The issue is that people will whine and complain about issues that will not be changing, and refuse to change their point of view.
Sounds like an argument to sit back and take whatever Big Brother shoves down your throat. If you know something is wrong (and you say you do), then stand up and be heard.
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The problem with ethanol is simply that it is not the best or most logical alternative fuel. We can all agree that we need to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, but wouldn't it make sense to do this with the best alternative, instead of the one with the highest political return? It's only here to stay if we all sit back and let our elected officials get away with it.
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From what I understand, most of the ethanol is being bought from South America anyway.

How is that helping America when we are using sugar cane juice from Brazil ?
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Sorry if I'm a little slow here....but if ethanol is not mandatory and isn't great for boats, then my assumption is we won't find this fuel at fuel docks (for the most part). It's really an issue for the people that trailer their boats and fill up at gas stations which is a very significant number of recreational boaters. Is that accurate?
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SouthernBoy, as I understand the situation we do not import the ethanol from South America. It is home grown using corn as the primary ingredient, which drives up the cost of corn, of course, and every food source associated with it which is a bunch when you stop and add it all up. Not only that but the fertilizer used to produce the corn introduces lots of nitrates into the soil which ends up in the Gulf of Mexico doing more harm to the environment than the oil spill ever could. There goes the green fuel theory.
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SouthernBoy, as I understand the situation we do not import the ethanol from South America. It is home grown using corn as the primary ingredient, which drives up the cost of corn, of course, and every food source associated with it which is a bunch when you stop and add it all up . Not only that but the fertilizer used to produce the corn introduces lots of nitrates into the soil which ends up in the Gulf of Mexico doing more harm to the environment than the oil spill ever could. There goes the green fuel theory.
So pretty soon we'll be paying Morton's prices for an Outback steak? That sucks.
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The problem with ethanol is simply that it is not the best or most logical alternative fuel. We can all agree that we need to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, but wouldn't it make sense to do this with the best alternative, instead of the one with the highest political return? It's only here to stay if we all sit back and let our elected officials get away with it.
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SouthernBoy, as I understand the situation we do not import the ethanol from South America. It is home grown using corn as the primary ingredient, which drives up the cost of corn, of course, and every food source associated with it which is a bunch when you stop and add it all up. Not only that but the fertilizer used to produce the corn introduces lots of nitrates into the soil which ends up in the Gulf of Mexico doing more harm to the environment than the oil spill ever could. There goes the green fuel theory.
Well I guess it depends on who says what, I dont know myself for sure but Im gonna research it. The guy who I buy race fuel from, who is a Chevron bulk wholesaler tells me that most all the corn-ethanol plants in the USA are folding up and in receivership. He said the large majority of ethanol is coming from sugar cane ethanol in Brazil and that the sugar beet farmer lobby is furious about it because they wanted that business from the very beginning but the whole idea was sold under the corn banner instead. Well its takes more steps to make ethanol from corn, so naturally its going to be cheaper to buy ethanol straight from sugar products.

Now again, this is what my gas-guy has told me. Im gonna do some real research to look into it, but it makes sense. Why go to the expense of making ethanol out of corn when its easier to go straight from sugar based ag-products instead. Im not an authority on this all, but it sounds like lobbyist for the Corn Growers had more pull and sold the whole idea that way.
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So pretty soon we'll be paying Morton's prices for an Outback steak? That sucks.
Not at my place, I raise my own beef & pork. My deepfreezer overfloweth.
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SouthernBoy, as I understand the situation we do not import the ethanol from South America. It is home grown using corn as the primary ingredient, which drives up the cost of corn, of course, and every food source associated with it which is a bunch when you stop and add it all up. Not only that but the fertilizer used to produce the corn introduces lots of nitrates into the soil which ends up in the Gulf of Mexico doing more harm to the environment than the oil spill ever could. There goes the green fuel theory.
FWIW, I used to row crop corn and well aware of what fertilizers do and how corn plays into things. I have friends who were enrolled in CRP programs for that reason, we got out after several back-to-back years of drought and damned aflatoxin problems. We always used Pioneer and Funk products back then.
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