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Old 09-20-2004, 01:49 PM
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Hey Guys, I know I don't jump on here very frequently but I am hoping you can help me out. My engine quit the other day on a long run, but I managed to get it going again and ran it rough about 10 miles back to dock. I took the Water Seperator off and dumped it into a Clear Container where it seperated about 3/4 of the glass was CLOUDY ORANGE Color Liquid and On TOP was about an Inch of Clear Liquid. I put it back on ran the engine and then Dumped it over it the glass again. This time I had about an inch of Clear Liquid on the BOTTOM and a Cloudy (orange/yellow) liquid on the top about 3/4 of the glass.

Can someone give me a clear understanding of what I found. I did check the other things too, in line filter was good and spark seemed good. My engine is a 175 OB Johnson 1995.
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Water in fuel??
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Sounds like a lot of water in the fuel if it seperated that much out again that quick... Might have to drain the tank ....
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Old 09-20-2004, 02:09 PM
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Sounds like water in the fuel the way it separated. With that much water you will need a new filter. If you get enough water in the canister it will saturate with water and not effectively filter.

As stated above, with all that water you may need to syphon the tank until you get clean gas coming out. Make sure the syphon is at the lowest point in the tank.

Also figure out where the water came from.
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yep it`s water.might have got with your last fill up.
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ditto... sounds like H2O..... not unusual at all for gasoline products
to be orange in color.....
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Old 09-20-2004, 02:48 PM
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Ok, I figured water, the orange was a concern but as stated in a reply, not that uncommon to be Orange. Anyone ever use the additive "Water Absorb", suppossed to make the water able to be burned?
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Sounds like you've got too much water for that to work... How big is the tank? I had to have the tank recycled out thru a water seperator/fuel pump on last boat when I got a really bad tank of gas ! Went thru two fuel water seperator on the boat before I took it to the shop. Cost about the same as a whole new tank of gas, 90 gallons, but didn't have to find something to do with all that bad gas....
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Old 09-20-2004, 03:04 PM
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definately water, i had the same problem this year where both my 175 johnsons quit within minutes. i dumped the filters every 10 minutes or so and made it back to the dock safely. i thought that there was an excessive amount of water in the tank. i took off the fuel sender on the tank and put a sinker (clipped tight) on a hose and sucked out the bottom part of the tank-got approximately 1/2 gallon water out-used clear tanks so that i could separate out the water and put back the fuel. i then put on racors with the see thru bowl to keep things monitored. problems solved-no more water. look at your fuel vent - i suspect that some water was being pulled in through the vent-did not have any type of loop in the hose-i also installed a new vent that prevents water siphoning in.
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Old 09-20-2004, 04:12 PM
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You know Ckjr, the shop put on a new Vent (not that I couldn't have done it) and I wasn't all that thrill with the way it looks for keeping out water, I used to have a nice Screw on kind but now I have one that looks like it could let water in and the day I stalled out was a rough day so we were constantly taking water up the side of the boat. I think I will change that too. As far as the water, I'll get it out probably by pumping it off the bottom.

Thanks for the help guys.
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Doesn't sound good. If you haven't opened the gas tank compartment, you may want to because the symptoms you describe are ones of a leaky gas tank. Tank may have pin holes and you have water intrusion in the tank.
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Old 09-20-2004, 11:18 PM
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Cloudy orange sounds like rust to me? I had that years ago in a boat with older tanks. If you pour everything into a 2 liter coke bottle and let it settle, you will see the water on bottom and the fuel on top and the cloudy stuff may mix everywhere but usually it will settle to the bottom.
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assuming the tank(s) are Aluminum, which accounts for most boats, oxidation should not be orange or "Rust" rust color. The milky orange color is caused by chemical reaction.
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I saw a product from Star Brite in the last Boat US magazine called Startron, a fuel conditoner and recondtioner, and carbon eliminator, using enzymes, might take a look at it, if it does what the ad says???????? I will use it in my boat.
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I'll chime it too.* I've had this before myself and it is water.....no doubt about it.* Given the amount that you are seeing, you got a good dose of it somewhere (the vent may be a prime suspect).* I think you are headed in the right direction......but I would pump off the entire tank rather than trying to just pump off the water layer.* Refill with fresh gas from somewhere that sells a LOT of gas (better chance to avoid water), and change your fuel/water sep to one of the Racors that has the clear bowl and petcock.* Now, you probably have water in the little fuel filter that is on the outboard itself......clean that out too.* Run the boat and monitor what is going to the outboard by periodically draining off a couple of inches in a jelly jar using the petcock.* When it is staying clear, you have purged it all.* On the additives, they can help with "normal" condensation buildup, but were not designed for large concentrations of water.

Lastly, I need to stress that you need to run this engine once you get good fuel in it.* Remember that your outboard has seen water all the way into the cylinders.* Also, do an extra*good job in storing it over the winter.
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Old 09-21-2004, 07:45 AM
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Thanks again. The Orange shouldn't be rust, the tank is a new 50 gallon plastic tank just put in last year after the last one was leaking, however the vent is new as mentioned and not a good design in my opinion. I guess I have some work to do. The boating/fishing season in RI doesn't last as long as NC or FL so I guess I better get on it. PUMP Out, refill, Change Vent, Change Fuel Filter(s), Run Engine. Check filters and continue to purge until all is clean.

Great... I think its time to upgrade to a bigger boat, my wife will love it. Thinking about a 22-24 WalkAround, keep the bow for fishing in tight areas and the back for trolling.
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Go buy the Star Tron from Star Brite and put it in the tank. The stuff is amazing. A bottle of water absorber from them too wouldn't hurt.
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Old 09-21-2004, 10:31 AM
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I had a similar problem. Is the water seperator a raycor or a spin on metal canister? I had a metal canister hadup with rust at the bottom after one season. Look down inside the threaded end with a flashlight (don't use a match to illuminate it! ). The internal metal parts (housing, endcaps, etc.) are steel and will corrode if water builds up for too long.
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I been thru this myself.Another thing to check is the level sending unit.If the gasket is not set right,it will leak.
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