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Old 09-05-2004, 05:16 PM
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I'm new to this forum. I'm on the left coast and looking for a new boat. I'm interested in a mid nineties 28 foot Albin. It has the 330 Cummins and seems to be a nice boat. There aren't too many of these boats in California so I'd appreciate some East coast help.

Does anyone here have one and if so can you give me your opinion on the ride, fuel economy, close quarters manuvering and anything else you like and don't like about these boats? I think the 132 gallon fuel capacity is a little short. Seems like range will be well under 250 miles.

Has anyone heard of the core being compromised?

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Hi -

I own a 2003 Albin 28. So far I am really enjoying the boat. Fuel economy is my favorite bragging point on the dock - 5 - 8 gph. Last season I put 103 hrs. on the boat and averaged right about 5 gph. Very pleased given the rise in fuel prices this season.

130 gal fuel capacity is not really a problem ... I took her 60 miles offshore this month hunting blue fin tuna. 3 hrs out, 3 back and 5 running around looking for them - just under a 1/2 tank of fuel consumed.

The factory is very close to my marina so I spent some time watching the boat during the construction process. Cruise is 20 kn at 3400 rpm. I find that she runs best at about 3200 rpm and 18-19 kn.

As for the cored hull. I saw a piece of the Airex core that had been submerged in a bucket of water for close to a year with no absorbtion at all. I was impressed.

Anything else I can help with just yell.

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Jack,

Thanks for the comments. It sounds like you have the Yanmar engine. Yanmar makes great engines. Does your literature indicate how much better the fuel economy is with the Yanmar engine?

If your boat does not have the flush deck option, how much room do you have to adjust the packing?

It looks like their new coring material is better than balsa if it won't absorb water.

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Old 09-06-2004, 07:34 AM
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Bill -

Yes I have the Yanmar 315 engine and the flush deck.

Access under the flush deck is ok. It's the engine that is tight. They moved the engine forward directly beneath the helm. By moving it forward, it is now a straight shaft rather than a v-drive. There is a large fish box in the center of the flush deck with a hydraulic lift. Also, there is a t-hatch at the stern for access to steering linkages, etc.

I do not have any performance #'s from Albin on the different engine configurations.

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Old 09-06-2004, 08:24 AM
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They started using the airex coring in 2000 and put solid glass around any of the thru hull fittings prior to that they used the balsa coring so if you you buy earlier get a good surveyor
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I sold Albins in the mid-90s, and the 28 with the 330 Cummins was my favorite boat. I remember a solid 25 knot cruise and 29 knot top end (before the owners would load them down with junk). I think you should have about a 250 nautical mile range. There was an option to add an additional fuel tank, but I never saw the need.

I donít know of any 28ís that had a problem with the balsa core. The 28ís designer told me he preferred balsa because he got better adherence to the glass than with foam coring. After he left, Albin went to Airex, but it might have been a marketing issue as much as anything. At any rate, Iím sure youíll have the boat surveyed out of the water, and any problems should show up then. Once you own the boat, just be careful about drilling holes in the bottom. My 31 is also balsa cored, and when I had the transducer installed, I had the yard remove about 4Ē of core around the transducer and fill with solid glass.

Regarding the stuffing box, if I recall correctly, I could reach it by removing the panels in the sides of the deck boxes. Iím 6í, 185, and could somehow stuff myself down in there to adjust it. I could also have the skinny guy with long arms at the boat yard do it.

I always thought the boat rode really nicely. Itís relatively narrow for itís length, and that allows it to cut through the chop easily. There was no noticeable problem in stern quartering seas, which is common among boats with a skeg. Close quarters maneuvering is easy once you get the hang of the bow thruster.

I hope this doesnít sound like an ad. Other than currently owning an Albin 31, I have no affiliation with Albin. Iíve just always liked the 28.
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Albin 31, Thanks for the information. I'll certainly get a good sueveyor to look at the boat before purchasing it.

This boat also has a genset and air conditioner. I'm not sure if they were installed by the factory or aftermarket. Where do they install the genset? I think it would be close to the transom behind the engine.

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Old 09-06-2004, 03:51 PM
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Factory installed genset would have been an Entec West 4.2 installed in the hatch in the pilothouse between the seats. That's also where the additional fuel tank was installed. You couldn't have both. I have an Entec West on my boat and am quite satisfied. The support has been great.

A/C would have been Cruiseair under the forward part of the V-berth.

By the way, I meant to add in the last post that if the turbo whine from the Cummins is too loud, a Walker AirSep will fix it, as will simply moving putting about 12" of exhaust hose between the air filter and the engine.
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Old 09-06-2004, 06:56 PM
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bill-

I have a 96 28 with a 315 cummins in it. After about 21 knots the performance is almost 1 knot per 1000 rpm - 23 is 2300, 24 is 2400 etc. My prop is a cupped 18 X 20 four blade. Mine is a v drive with a packless shaft seal, so no stuffing box... One suggestion- make absolutely sure that you can make at least the full rated RPM of the engine if not more at full load. I am actually going to take some pitch out of my prop to reduce engine loading.

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Old 09-07-2004, 07:21 PM
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Saltwaters,
I just bought a 2000 Albin 28 and brought it from NJ to CT over the weekend (about 200 miles) The second day of the trip was into a steep 1' to 3' foot chop with a few 4 footers every once and a while. We were in it for about 7 hours and the boat did great. At one point the chop was probably 3' to 5' from behind and the boat handled beautifully. I have the Yanmar 315 and averaged 7.5 GPH but I wasn't at full throttle because of the chop. I probably could have made the trip on one tank but filled up once along the way to be safe.
You'll hear all sorts of coring stories. Make sure you get yours sounded and checked with a moisture meter by a surveyor. If you get a good surveyor, he'll find anything wrong.
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The Albin 28 looks like a beautiful boat, but let me ask a question. Is what they call the "aft berth" the small area to the side of the engine ? It looks big enough for a 3 - 5 year old
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From experience

The quarterberth can provide a most interesting entertainment area for an adult couple, as can the motor box.
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Old 09-07-2004, 08:51 PM
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Actually Wizard, I plan to have my 4 and 6 yr olds sleep there. It is large enough for one adult or 2 newlyweds. The flush deck models have less room in the quarterberth.
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Thanks for the tip on quieting the intake noise. How loud is the exhaust and do you have a muffler on the exhaust?
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Steve,

Thanks for replying. You have a very similar boat. How many GPH are you burning at 21 kts? 21 kts is my target cruise speed. I hope it's burning 10 GPH or less at this speed.

I agree with your assessment on getting maximum rated rpms + a little more. I have a lot of dock buddies that have overloaded their engines. I can always tell who they are by the trail of black smoke they leave.

Do you have a Michigan dyna quad? I've heard a lot of good things about the ZF Faster prop. (supposed to be machined to the highest tolerences and has a dar of .86 if memory serves me correctly.) I almost bought one for my last boat but ended up ending the partnership instead.

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Big Dave,

I've heard these boats ride really good both up swell and down swell. This is one of the main reasons I'm looking at them. It sounds like you had a fun trip home. What speed were you travelling in the slop?

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Unfortunately I do not have a lot of running time on my engine- I actually decided to do a rebuild because of some engine issues, but I would estimate that at your intended cruise speed mine is burning around 6-7 gallons an hour. You may have already found them, but cummins has very good fuel curves available- let me know if you need the link. My prop is actually stamped ALBIN on it, but it sure looks like a michigan.

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Bill,

We were running between 11 and 18 kts depending on the conditions. Running with the chop we had no limitations on speed. The boat tracks just like they say it does. I wasn't totally comfortable surfing down the faces of the waves but I think it was more my inexperience (second day with the boat) that anything to do with the boat. I was totally comfortable at cruising speed when running.

WOT for my boat is 3800 rpm which is 26 kts. Cruising is 3200 rpm which is 20 knots.

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