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Old 07-31-2010, 06:39 PM
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First off, I have a 21 regulator. I need help with a problem. When I go to fill up with gas, it overflows. I just tried to fill up and I know I only have a half tank, but I could only put in about 1 gallon before it overflowed. Any suggestions? It's like it gets a bubble that has to be popped before I can fill it.

Secondly, can anyone speak to the capabilites of the 23 and the 26. The 21 can run at 30 mph in 1-2 footers. If they are spaced far apart with little chop I can run 30 mph. If they are more like 2 footers and they are close together or with lots of chop it is more like a 23-25 mph cruise. In 2-3 footers, it is a rough ride at 20 mph if they are close together. If they are more like 3-4 footers, forget it about, you get your but handed to you.

Can the 23 run 30 mph in solid 3 footers with a 3 second wave period? My guess is not really, but I haven't been in one. I typically ride a glacier bay 2660 canyon runner. Can the 23 regulator even compare to the capability of the canyon runner? Again, my guess is not really.

Do you have to move to the 26 regulator to match up to the glacier bay capability? If so, for the money, the cat is probably the way to go even though I love my baby regulator.
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Tank vent is clogged.

In 3 footers and a short period and 15 to 20 knot wind pounding on a quartering bow, everybody takes a beating. Everybody. 23 footer or 32 footer, either way won't save you. On some boats, like a bertram the spray will even get you on the flybridge. And those 3 footers really mean the average of the highest third over a 20 minute sampling period. Individual waves will chronically be more than twice that. Good luck at 30 mph.
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You really need to go sea trial or hitch a ride on a friend's 23' to appreciate how special a boat it really is.
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What Local Motion said - find the tank vent and clean it up.
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It has a vent on the side of the hull. I spews out of the top and the vent. When I pull the gas pump "gun" out of the fill hole, the level is sitting right at the top of the fill tube like it is full, but I know it isn't. Is there another vent other than the one on the side that it is spewing out of?
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It has a vent on the side of the hull. I spews out of the top and the vent. When I pull the gas pump "gun" out of the fill hole, the level is sitting right at the top of the fill tube like it is full, but I know it isn't. Is there another vent other than the one on the side that it is spewing out of?

Nope, only one vent per tank. Sounds like the big fill pipe to the tank is clogged or kinked. I have a vented gas cap on mine.. not a regulator. So when I fill the tank there is no vent, just like a car. I never have an overflow problem unless the pump is real fast and the tank gets full, and the pump shuts off a second too late. I just need to be careful with the last couple gallons.
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It probably can't run 30 mph maybe more like 20-25, but the glacier bay can run in solid 3 footers and it won't drench you.
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I had the same problem with my gas tank. I unhooked the sending unit and blew air from the vent back. I only unhooked the sending unit so the air could escape and I wouldn't crack the tank by blowing to much air. Ended up being a small bee's nest in the vent line.
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21' Reg only has 21 degrees of deadrise I believe, 23' Reg is 24 degrees....makes a big difference in a chop.
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First off, I have a 21 regulator. I need help with a problem. When I go to fill up with gas, it overflows. I just tried to fill up and I know I only have a half tank, but I could only put in about 1 gallon before it overflowed. Any suggestions? It's like it gets a bubble that has to be popped before I can fill it.

Secondly, can anyone speak to the capabilites of the 23 and the 26. The 21 can run at 30 mph in 1-2 footers. If they are spaced far apart with little chop I can run 30 mph. If they are more like 2 footers and they are close together or with lots of chop it is more like a 23-25 mph cruise. In 2-3 footers, it is a rough ride at 20 mph if they are close together. If they are more like 3-4 footers, forget it about, you get your but handed to you.

Can the 23 run 30 mph in solid 3 footers with a 3 second wave period? My guess is not really, but I haven't been in one. I typically ride a glacier bay 2660 canyon runner. Can the 23 regulator even compare to the capability of the canyon runner? Again, my guess is not really.

Do you have to move to the 26 regulator to match up to the glacier bay capability? If so, for the money, the cat is probably the way to go even though I love my baby regulator.

Sounds like you have a clogged fuel tank vent tube for whatever reason...kinked hose, dirt dobber nest clogging vent, etc.

The 23 and 26 are going to smoke your 21 all day long because both weigh significantly more, both are longer and both are true 24 degree deadrise boats.


I put 500hrs (inshore and offshore) on an 06 26 Reg with twin F250s and have just a few hours on a 26 Glacier bay Canyon runner. No experience with the 23 Regulator.

I have been told that in some sea states the 23 rides nearly as well as the 26 by owners of the 23 that have ridden in both. In certain sea states that may be true but overall I'm fairly sure the 26 rides better. The 23 is going to be significantly more fuel efficient than the 26. However you have a lot more room in the 26. IMO I do not believe the 23 Reg will ride with the 26 Glacier Bay.

Reg 26 vs Glacier bay 26 Canyon Runner..... This is a complex comparison as they are somewhat different animals. Bear in mind these are my opinions only and I really like the ride of my old 26 Reg after raising the engines 1 hole vs factory and putting on a set of Powertech 4 blade props. Transom wedges would probably make 26 ideal.

In a true short interval chop head sea up to 2 or 3' the Reg 26 will cruise faster and probably do so a bit more efficiently. The 26 Glacier bay will ride a little more softly but not as fast. In a following sea or beam sea the 26 Reg will eat its lunch all day long. The side to side motion of the 26 Reg is more tolerable to me than the 26 GB in a beam sea.

When you get to a true 3' close interval chop like in a sustained 15 to 20 mph wind blown bay the 26 Reg will make it through after slowing down,tucking the engines, and putting the tabs all the way down. It will be a wet ride and you will take some pounding. The 26 Glacier bay is a displacement hull design and it can slow down, remain on plane and ride but slower. You will still take some shots ie pound, but certainly not as many when the tunnel bottoms out but it will be softer overall. You will get wet from the tunnel sneeze. The 26 GB does offer an impressive confidence inspiring head sea ride.

The nice part about riding slower is that you feel more in control. Sometimes the best ride in the 26 Regulator was speeding up and everyone had better be hanging on.

I rode a 26 GB and the 26 Reg on back to back North wind 20 mph days on the Chesapeake bay in some nasty water and frankly I preferred the Regulator for overall ride and performance. That includes softness of ride, speed of travel through various sea states, fuel efficiency and storage, ease of maintenance of pumps, etc all within the framework of the type of fishing I like to do.

These are only my opinions based on my experience. If you have a tow vehicle for a 21, you might get by with the 23 but you won't with the 26 unless it is 3/4 ton or better already.

I am admitted Regulator fan but only after I proved it to myself when comparing their boats to other brands. For their size Regulators ride soft, but they are not all that fast or efficient.

Frankly I don't care what boat you buy just my attempt above to be objective.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:24 PM
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Having not ridden in a Regulator 26, what you said makes good sense to me. In fact, it kind of agrees with what I originally said and what guess would be. I know you say the overall performance of the Reg is preferred in your opinion, but you are probably double the $$ on a used Reg vs the GB. It seems like the Reg is more glamourous, faster, and probably an all around more quality vessel, but $ for $ catching fish and running capability I think the GB wins out.

You are correct that I have a 1/2 ton truck and trailering a GB more than a mile or so is a real pain. I may eventually trade up to a 23 Regulator. I love the build of the boat and the quality even in the 21, but I don't want to spend 30-40 k$ on a 23 Reg and get beat up on the water and wish that I had spent the same or less on a GB.

I'm not really looking to move out of the 21 yet, as it is a fun little boat and I am enjoying learning with it. I was just curious what folks thought about the 3 models. Like I said, my guess is that the performance of the 23 doesn't hold a candle to the comparably priced GB, but I was curious to hear what others thought. Thanks for the reply.

One follow up question. You talked about a following sea or a beam sea, what does that mean?
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Having not ridden in a Regulator 26, what you said makes good sense to me. In fact, it kind of agrees with what I originally said and what guess would be. I know you say the overall performance of the Reg is preferred in your opinion, but you are probably double the $$ on a used Reg vs the GB. It seems like the Reg is more glamourous, faster, and probably an all around more quality vessel, but $ for $ catching fish and running capability I think the GB wins out.

You are correct that I have a 1/2 ton truck and trailering a GB more than a mile or so is a real pain. I may eventually trade up to a 23 Regulator. I love the build of the boat and the quality even in the 21, but I don't want to spend 30-40 k$ on a 23 Reg and get beat up on the water and wish that I had spent the same or less on a GB.

I'm not really looking to move out of the 21 yet, as it is a fun little boat and I am enjoying learning with it. I was just curious what folks thought about the 3 models. Like I said, my guess is that the performance of the 23 doesn't hold a candle to the comparably priced GB, but I was curious to hear what others thought. Thanks for the reply.

One follow up question. You talked about a following sea or a beam sea, what does that mean?
You don't say what year model used boats you are comparing. GB s were not cheap new until they went out of business and what you are saying about their resale should tell you something about their depreciation. Selling/buying a cat is a niche market and you have a smaller audience to resale it to.

You cannot in anyway compare or extrapolate the ride of your 21 to the 23 Regulator. Frankly I'm not ever sure why they made a 21 or the 19 for that matter as they are really nothing like their other hulls, maybe that's why they don't make either one now.

IMO, The 23 Reg is a very capable boat for its size but not a fair comparison for a boat that is heavier and 3 feet longer..ie GB 26. However the 23 Reg is no speed demon with a single 225, or 250. You really ought to look at twin 150s, 200hpdis or a single F350.

A beam sea is a sea hitting you on the side of the boat and a following sea is a sea you are running with ie breaking on the transom. Cats tend to get an exaggerated or quicker side to side motion in a beam sea that can be unnerving to drive in and catch unprepared passengers off guard. Displacement cats sometimes will occasionally jerk to one side or the other in a decent following sea. You just have to be ready for it as the captain and your guests need to be made aware of it.

Whatever you choose to buy just make sure you spend a least one day fishing on a typical day you would go out. Sounds like you are already set on the GB 26 so go for it. What I chose will not make you happy.

BTW, if it is too rough to fish on a 26 Regulator I don't want to be out fishing on any small boat. Holding on for life while trying to fish is no fun to me anymore.

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You may have a dip in the main fill hose. This will allow fuel to collect and block the flow.

Also do you have a the older style of vents that stick out? The newer ones are recessed. I would switch over to that.

I owned a 21ft Regulator for years. It is a great boat but you could take a 21 and put it inside the 23ft Regulator. That extra 2ft makes a huge difference. Go to a dealership and take a ride in the 23ft.
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