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Old 07-26-2010, 05:25 PM
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A big Hatt, Bert, Rybo, whatever, shit just doesn't break, allowing enough water in to sink the vessel before the Captain has a chance to ascertain the situation. High water alarms, crash pumps, everything been inspected, stuffing boxes repacked and tested in water, rudder posts...I mean, I can see an 18 going down quick because of a breach, but a 60' Hatt? Nahhh...
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I'm the type of guy that says "if something can go wrong it will go wrong". But for some reason this one looks bad.

Its just odd that one guy would captain that boat alone. Where was he headed and what was the purpose of the trip?

I have a very good friend that is a captain on a similar vessel. He is a very good captain and he likes to have help to run the boat, especially when is comes to docking. He has called on me to help him on a few occasions when he needed to move the boat. He has taken the boat out for a shakedown cruise alone but he doesn't like doing it. Help at the dock is almost required for a boat that size.
I would have to agree, it is awful convenient that the Capt was ony 7 miles offshore instead of 50-100

Also the video said Sea Tow was called to the scene first if I hear it right, if my boat was sinking I am calling USCG and besides you know a boat like that would have top of the line EPIRB
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I would have to agree, it is awful convenient that the Capt was ony 7 miles offshore instead of 50-100

Also the video said Sea Tow was called to the scene first if I hear it right, if my boat was sinking I am calling USCG and besides you know a boat like that would have top of the line EPIRB
But in deep enough water to make salvage a very far reaching option?
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Weather was looking nice all day...........
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I would have to agree, it is awful convenient that the Capt was ony 7 miles offshore instead of 50-100

Also the video said Sea Tow was called to the scene first if I hear it right, if my boat was sinking I am calling USCG and besides you know a boat like that would have top of the line EPIRB
Can't put much faith in what the news says. They said Sea Tow showed up but when looking at it on the local news I saw only USCG and Boat US on the scene.

It could have been a simple shakedown cruise that went horribly wrong. But like seabob says these large vessels have all kinds of warning systems on them to alert the captain of a problem.

My friend that captains a 70 Hatteras keeps the engine room camera on with the image on the helm at all times.

The news station was at the docks to interview the captain. He says he heard an alarm but by the time he went in the engine room it was too late.

Here is a link to the local news story, center right video. And of course you have to watch the stupid freakin commercial before the news story.

http://www.wsvn.com/video/player/
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Looks like they might get a good look at this thing without going down 500-800 feet.
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That boat doesnt weigh anything being completely underwater like that, it could easily be pulled back into shallows and airbagged/pumped out.
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A big Hatt, Bert, Rybo, whatever, shit just doesn't break, allowing enough water in to sink the vessel before the Captain has a chance to ascertain the situation. High water alarms, crash pumps, everything been inspected, stuffing boxes repacked and tested in water, rudder posts...I mean, I can see an 18 going down quick because of a breach, but a 60' Hatt? Nahhh...
Can we give the Captain the benefit of the doubt? Shit does happen in big boats, granted there's more redundancy and safety than in smaller vessels, but that doesn't mean they're fail proof. I'm sure the insurance company will do a full investigation before paying this claim.
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Can we give the Captain the benefit of the doubt? Shit does happen in big boats, granted there's more redundancy and safety than in smaller vessels, but that doesn't mean they're fail proof. I'm sure the insurance company will do a full investigation before paying this claim.
I'm sure they will...
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Boats that size and larger get moved or repositioned over short distances all the time in that area with only one man, or a skeleton crew, on board. By pre-arrangement, they generally have someone waiting at the destination to help with the docking, or are arriving at a full-service place with dockhands on call for help at the dock or they are heading for a travelift or whatever for service.

It is NOT that unusual. And as to Seabob and the "big boats don't sink fast," there are those big Berts we've all been looking at the past year or so. Only one sank, and it went pretty fast, but the others could easily have sunk and sunk fast with those large hull breaches, if the sea states had been a little higher or the breaches a little lower.

Me, I'll wait and see what they find out.
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What if 1/3 of the fleet of 1995 and older aging sportfishers had fairly horrible maintenance histories. Fixing only certain things that are broken instead of having an actual maintenance routine where all critical items are checked regularly. This could easily be the case. How many 1995 vessels still have 95% of the original hose clamps installed? How many have not had the through hulls exercised since .... 1995?

I'm surprised more of these boats don't sink regularly. I can tell you that the Bertram 54 I purchased had not been safe for 10+ years but to the novice, it appeared to be in decent shape.

Get a load of this through hull that was on my boat. Before and after photo.



This was one of MANY MANY issues that could have sunk the boat. The bigger the vessel, the more potential for BOAT SINKERS!

A pile of hose clamps replaced on my Bertram 54.

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While the facts do seem shady, it is completely possible for this boat to have legitimately sank. Saying a boat this size won't sink, or won't sink fast, or has to many safety devices is a bit of a quick conclusion. I do agree, difficult to believe, but in no way impossible.
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While the facts do seem shady, it is completely possible for this boat to have legitimately sank. Saying a boat this size won't sink, or won't sink fast, or has to many safety devices is a bit of a quick conclusion. I do agree, difficult to believe, but in no way impossible.
We shall see...and I think that's the best thing that could be said. Thank god no one was aboard other than the Captain, and thank god the Captain managed to abandon ship with no injuries...
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saying big boats dont sink fast is ridiculous. I have seen 2 big boats (over 50ft) sink in less than 10 minutes. usaully the high water alarms go off, they captain pulls back off the throttles and by the time you get to the engine room there is 2 feet of water. There is no time for a distress call, or check out the situation. Dream Catcher 56' Paul Mann during the WMO sank in 7 minutes. Moon Dancer 61 viking sank off Pt Pleasant in less than five minutes with 5 on board 6 miles out in 110 feet of water. 2007 45ft post sank in the Hudson canyon in ten minutes, fortunately someone heard there mayday as there were only 2 other boats out there that night.

my point is these boats are all newer and even still with newer alarms, systems, warnings they still sank like rocks. When something catastrophic happens you only have time to grab a lifevest, epirb and ditch bag if you have one, and worry about your well being.

so a 1990s (20 years old) production boat sinking is not out of the realm. all it takes is for it to be docked at a marina with a bad electrolysis issue for a year or two and it can eat those thru hull right up from the inside out.

It will be interesting to see if the boat was for sale lately or slacking on the payments.
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according to #1stunna he should have bought a whaler... it would have not sunk





















































































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Just want to point out that a Paul Mann is not a production boat. That is all. Otherwise I agree with the above post. However, it is very difficult to believe that an operator of a boat that is taking on that kind water failed to realize that something was wrong prior to an alarm. Handling goes down hill fast in a situation like this. Was the vessel underway? If so what speed?
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I bet he forgot to put the plug in when he backed down the ramp....happens all the time!
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Its just odd that one guy would captain that boat alone. .
Not really, many situations result in a lone captain; for-hire captains relocating a yacht, tournament boats relocating to the next event, private yachts being moved to the owner's next adventure, etc. You'd really be surprised how many are out there.
A fishing boat captain I knew in the Bahamas regularly moved between there and Venezuela. He'd get a clear course at night, set the radar proximity alarm, throttle to 9 knots and bed down. I don't think I could handle that one, but he was very comfortable (albeit crazy) with it.
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I bet he forgot to put the plug in when he backed down the ramp....happens all the time!
Bet you are right, seen that quite a few times
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