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Old 08-24-2004, 03:30 PM
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Are these boats low quality, in other words if I bought one would I be wasting my money. I've recently moved to Va Beach and really want a boat. The Trophy boats that are sold here appear to be quite nice, however I've heard a lot of bad stuff in the past. Inform the uninformed please, I'm on a limited budget and this is why I'm looking at the Trophy's. I feel it would be wise to purchase from a local dealer and therefor am limited to a handfull of manufacturers. THANKS SIMON.
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Well, being the owner of a 2003 1802 I'd highly recommend the boat. In fact I'm currently looking to move up to the 2052 with a 1.7 diesel at the end of this year. Trophy is a mid tier boat along the lines of Sea Swirl, Wellcraft etc. Fittings are SS and through bolted. Fit and finish is good for it's class. Stringers are foam encased in fiber glass though the transom is wood encased in fiber glass. Gel coat is Vinylester which will withstand weathering and pounding better. Storage is adequate. They are heavy boats (my 1802 is 1975lbs dry weight with 90hp Merc - the 2052 20 foot I/O is 3500lbs with a 3.0L Merc) which make for a stable ride. I especially like the deep walk arounds on the WA. You can get more information on the Trophys on the Bayliner Owners Club ( http://www.baylinerownersclub.org ) since it had it's roots as a Bayliner though they separated from them and have been they're own company since the end of 2001. If I had it to do all over again I'd repurchase my Trophy. Most owners say the same. You get a lot of boat for the money though the price has been climbing each year.

Link to the Trophy site and the 2052 (21' 7" LOA):

http://www.trophyfishing.com/index.a...odelid=44163&#
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They are evolving from a low cost to a high cost boat. They sell a lot of them so you see some real deals on 2202-2004 huls, but if buying new I would look at Cape Horns which are the same price or pennies more, that will surely last and will have much better resale.
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Bull,You are so right,
cept Trophy trys to make their boats sporty looking to appeal more to the public. I would still take a Cape way over a Trophy!
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No, Trophy's are well made boats. You get a lot for the money. especially if you get the Pro pack.
Extremely well laid out for fishing. My 2103 is extremely dry, soft riding boat, and looks good. It has a Eurotransom, I like it. I've had mine for going on 3 years. No problems.
The Mercury 200 EFI that powers it is absolutely the best engine I have ever owned
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I don't know Bull but when you look at what you get for the money and how well built the boat is, I don't think the Cape Horn comes near it. I'm familiar with the WA's. On the 2052 I'm looking at, for $38K out the door for a 2005 I'm getting a 21' 7" Walk Around with fiber glass top and electronics cabinet, full curtain enclosure, 1.7L Mercruiser Cummins (Isuzu) diesel with Alpha I Gen 2 drive, trim tabs, rear jump seats, motor well cushion, bow cushion, swivel buckets, cushioned coaming pads, 16 gallon lighted baitwell, 2 16 gallon fishwells with pump outs, salt water washdown, 6 SS mooring cleats and two hawse pipes, stainless bowrail and fittings, dual batteries, dual bilge pumps, bronze seacock, porta potti with pump out, inside cabin rod rack, 4 SS rod holders, VHF Radio, igloo cooler, swim step and ladder, port and starboard wipers, galvanized trailer with swing away tongue, courtesy lights, and other features. As I previously stated, the hull is solid with hand laid fiber glass, foam and fiber glass stringers, high gunnels and a vinylester gel coat. There are 4 two inch scuppers, 2 port and 2 starboard for the self bailing deck. With the 85 gallon fuel tank the diesel has a 450+ mile range - not that I'm going to make use of that. Fit and finish on these boats are good. All fittings are through bolted with backing plates and bedded in what appears to be 5200 or 4200. Take a look at the 2052 in the link I posted above. It's no Grady, but it's as good as, if not better than, most others in it's class.
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That sounds like a good deal on the trophy and I am sure you are going to enjoy it a lot. I was also surpized that CapeHorns were cheap, and like the fact that they are strong and light weight for their size. and because they are a limited production boat that enjoy a good reputation, seem to really hold their value, and sell quickly when its time to move up.
I see the trophies going real cheap on the net after just one or 2 years because of their old bad rep, and because there are a lot of people who buy new and sacrifice them because they couldn't keep up with their payment, didn't like boating, or whatever. That's why I am recommending to buy used, because at used prices, they really are a deal. In conclusion, I like their looks, and if you want a WA, they're better and more competitive than their predesessors..
I bought a 20' Cape Horn for $18K last year, and see that their basic models now going for $23K in Houston. I consider this cheap for the bare bones fishing boat that I got also.

But, I also consider the trade in vaule when I buy, and this is where my argument is coming from.

This is an apples to orange argument, but I bet that I can use my Cape Horn for 5 years, and get $12K, and suffer a $1200 per year depreciation cost.

On the other other hand, I'll bet that your $38K investment will probably go down to $20K in the same 5 years, so if this is true, then it will cost you $3666 per year.

Trophy is moving in the right dirrection to improve its reputation, but its going to be a tough row to hoe for awhile IMHO.
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Cape Horn? C'mon. Side by side, there is no comparison. The fiberglass job is cheap and looks horrible. That's why they cost so little.
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Old 08-24-2004, 08:38 PM
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Oh my god.

Plucky, heres the truth. I dont believe that they are any worse made today than other mass marketed light duty boats. But that is EXACTLY what they are. They were shoddily made in the past (1980's mostly, and some spotty occurences in the 90's), and you will always pay for that when you attempt to sell one. They have made great strides in recent yrs to improve their image. Note that I say "image" because they still are not a hardcore boat that will hold up to hard use, but they want you to believe they are. So does sea-xxx, key west, etc. Not everyone needs a hardcore fishboat, but I would think that proven seakeeping ability, good handling, quality wiring, plumbing, rigging, and sound construction should be near the top of the everyones list. Alas, it is not so. In fact, its not even close. Too many buyer purchase "features". They want them all, at a low price. Corners ARE cut somewhere, it is where you cants see, and that is sometimes where it matters the most.

see above post for a typical description of the "quality" aspects that some buyers look for. None are mentioned that have anything to do with something you have to trust your life to. Note that this typically is called upon when you are unexpectedly fighting into 6-8' head sea at less than 10knots and pounding the living $hit out of the hull as you come off of every wave.

Please note that any reference which favorably compares a hamburger-helper boat such as trophy, key west, sea xxx, etc to a cape horn should be immediately disregarded , for the above reasons.



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Oh my god.

Plucky, heres the truth. I dont believe that they are any worse made today than other mass marketed light duty boats. But that is EXACTLY what they are. They were shoddily made in the past (1980's mostly, and some spotty occurences in the 90's), and you will always pay for that when you attempt to sell one. They have made great strides in recent yrs to improve their image. Note that I say "image" because they still are not a hardcore boat that will hold up to hard use, but they want you to believe they are. So does sea-xxx, key west, etc. Not everyone needs a hardcore fishboat, but I would think that proven seakeeping ability, good handling, quality wiring, plumbing, rigging, and sound construction should be near the top of the everyones list. Alas, it is not so. In fact, its not even close. Too many buyer purchase "features". They want them all, at a low price. Corners ARE cut somewhere, it is where you cants see, and that is sometimes where it matters the most.

see above post for a typical description of the "quality" aspects that some buyers look for. None are mentioned that have anything to do with something you have to trust your life to. Note that this typically is called upon when you are unexpectedly fighting into 6-8' head sea at less than 10knots and pounding the living $hit out of the hull as you come off of every wave.

Please note that any reference which favorably compares a hamburger-helper boat such as trophy, key west, sea xxx, etc to a cape horn should be immediately disregarded , for the above reasons.


Excuse me? I think anyone out in 6 - 8 ' seas in a 20 foot boat is insane to begin with. I know I'm not going to be there and neither would anyone who doesn't have a death wish.

And don't take such offense to the Cape Horn. No one is knocking it.

Now, if you don't think the above mentioned features INCLUDING the hull construction, stringers, transom, trim tabs, security of hardware mounting, deck drainage, etc are safety factors and affect seakeeping abilities then I don't know what to tell you. Certainly if you want the full details of the construction you can contact Trophy. I certainly am not going to post all the information I've accumulated here in a forum. Can the electrical system be improved upon? Sure. Just like 90% of the other boats built. No there isn't sealer on the connector ends, and they don't have shrink tubing. But they are tinned marine wire, marine connectors, fused or circuit breakers, color coded, wrapped (but could be better) and use rigging tubes. The whole job could be nicer...but it is quite satisfactory as it is. As far as plumbing, they use plastic through hulls above the waterline and bronze below. The hoses are the crinkly kind so yes, if you feel more secure with the clear hoses, by all means replace them. For a couple of hundred dollars you can replace the above waterline fittings, replace the hoses, redo the connectors and shrink wrap the wire ends if you feel that it is necessary. And you'd still be ahead of the game a whole lot. Or you can complain you have a hamburger helper boat probably never having owned a late model Trophy. I've been long winded enough in this thread and time to disappear elsewhere. At least we can agree to disagree. That's what makes boat make/model ownership so much fun.

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Old 08-24-2004, 09:52 PM
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I say buy used.

I went to a Bayliner/Trophy "boat show" this last weekend..and I can only say that I have never seen such a large boat as a Bayliner Cruiser (up to 30') built as cheaply as it is. For a 30' boat to have 3/16" hull, POP riveted (and not at even spaces) to it's bottom, and then PAINTED to 'seal' it to the bottom..it just amazed me. Plywood everywhere..again PAINTED to seal it--not even covered in fiberglass. I thought of this forum when I saw that ..and WISHED I would have brought my digital camera to take pics.

For $85k...I think I would stay home, or charter a boat.

As for the trophy? I dunno..I couldn't see the joints from the hull to top the way I could on the Bayliner. But it couldn't have been worse.
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Mole,

You've piqued my curiusity about the 1.7 merc/cummins /isuzu. I have watching this mill for a few years now and have always thought of it as a possible replacement for my I/O (220 hp BMW Marine). Not to derail the thread, but do you know the performance specs on it in that boat? I have a 23' Sea Ox (not to be confused with Sea-xxx!). I'm concerned it won't get on with the small diesel.
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Take a look here Doxy. The specs are at the bottom. Remember, this is a 3500 lb boat (or more with the diesel). There is another thread here recently on the 1.7L diesel. Let me look for it and link it....hold on. Ok got it. The top end is only about 34 - 35 mph and the acceleration is slower than a gas engine. But that won't bother me for my purposes. I would think replacing a 220 hp motor with a 120 hp (though high torque) motor would be quite a difference in performance.

Popular Mechanics review of Mercruiser 1.7L Diesel compared to 3.0L Gas and 135 hp Optimax.

http://popularmechanics.com/outdoors...er/print.phtml

More info recently on THT:

http://thehulltruth.net/forums/threa...=34913&start=1
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Trophy appears to be trying to increase quality and actually move into the high end market. For instance, they have a new 25 ft "Tournament" edition center console boat that uses some top notch construction techniques. The hull to deck joint consists of aluminum glassed into the sheer, which is then tapped and fastened with bolts. Five layers of glass are used on the centerline. But also unlike other Trophy boats, the Tournament edition is expensive.

There was a report not long ago on this site about an owner of a new 2004 Trophy that discovered water in the transom. And the transom is wood cored on a Trophy. According to that owner, Trophy was going to repair the transom and refused to replace the hull.
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I like my Trophy for its smooth ride and the abundance of storage spaces.

Mine is a 1999 model 1903 center console with a Merc 125 outboard. I've added Bennett M-120 tabs and that made a big improvement in the ride comfort. I went out in the 3 to 5 foot seas Sunday and the boat did fine. Captain and crewman were not as good, due to all of the cold vegatable soup that we had the night before.
Top speed is only about 40 mph at 3 MPG, but I seldom see gulf wave conditions that allow WOT with my old bones.
Counting the overhead electronics box in the T-top, there are 15 storage/tackle places to stash stuff, five of them locking.



I'm selling soon to get a longer, faster boat with a head in it.

Don't rule out the Trophy because of some shortcomings ten or twenty years ago... Heck -- Chevy made the Vega, but the Tahoe is a best buy today. Ford made the Pinto, but people are still buying Mustangs and Expeditions. My model of Trophy was subject to a recall in 1995 when 23 of them went out the door with inadequate levels of flotation foam. Is it the very best built tank on the water? Hardly! But it is a great value and a proven fish killer.
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Thank all the bashers and get an awesome deal on a slightly used Trophy. I bought 6 months ago a 2000 1903 with a 125 merc, custom T Top, all quality electronics, outriggers, + much more for under 14 grand out the door. I paid a little more but the boat is in primo like new shape.

I like the ride and have had ZERO problems and fish an average of twice a week, pacific mostly inshore but occasionaly out to 20 miles or so.

Again, thank you bashes for comparing a mid quality production boat to your hand made commercial boats. In the end you make for some great deals on a pretty nice boat! Made by the same company that makes Boston Whalers!! I dont think I would buy a Trophy new, simply because there are so many slightly used ones at big discounts.

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Aparently, the Trophy manufacturing has been taken away from Bayliners control by Brunswick and is now led by a dedicated team that are more dedicated to fishing that cruising. I have already seen an improvement in the quality levels of Trophy and the 2005 models now have fresh water cooling on the top line engine packages.

No longer associate Trophy with Bayliner and their 'budget cruiser' philosoph and no, you would not be wasting your money.

I have a 1998 Trophy 2052 and for me the best boat for my needs, a bit of cruising to please the wife and a fishing machine, the 2359 fits the bill. It's just a shame that it's not available with 2 engines or even a single diesel. The boat is capable of surviving seas greater than the body can stand. I have never had 'blue' water over the bow when hitting a wave.

If you have a stigma about the name and its being a cheap boat, lay down more money and get a Grady White, Parker, Shamrock or one of the other manufacturers that has been suggested. The Trophy quality will never be as good, but then again you not be dissapointed.
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Thanks for all the info guy's, your inputs were much appreciated.
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MiHungLo has it right and has caught the drift of my post.
Buy a Trophy that is 2-3 years old with low hour motors, and you can get a real value that has already depreciated a bunch. Their problems are famous, so you do some preventative maintanance. Who gives a darn what the bashers say.
But if someone offers you a Cape, or a Regulator real cheap, then we're talking better resale, and this changes to cost of participating in this expensive sport.
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When I went looking for a small ocean boat with a hard cabin ( I live in Alaska) I narrowed my choices down to a 24 foot Seasport or a 2359 Hardcabin Trophy. Even though the Trophy was a good deal cheaper than the Seasport I did not go with the Trophy as it depreciated almost 50% with in 2 years and everyone I observed running them in even a moderate chop seemed to bounce way to much. I examined every Trophy I could find in our boat harbors. From ones that were 10 years old to a new one they simply had to many flaws for me. I would echo that they are a resonable buy for the money, if you purchase one a few years old at a great price.
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