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Old 07-12-2010, 08:43 AM
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Ok, so I have a 22 cc with a Honda 225 4stroke. Without wind and current the boat will only go as slow as 2.7 mph.

At the moment I just have to keep popping it in and out of gear and I don't think it's such a great thing to do all day long.

Any suggestions as how I can slow down my trolling speed? I've seen those trolling flaps that flip down behind the prop, but never used them before. I'm also in the middle of raising my motor mount position as it's mounted too low, would the high motor have less bite and slip a bit more or not really?
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Trolling plates work great at slowing your speed down and are as easy to install as a hydrofoil. Just don't forget to lift the plate before you try to do anything besides trolling. Another cheaper trick is to tie 5 gallon buckets to both rear corners of the boat and let them drag behind the boat. Are you gauging your speed off your spedometer or a gps?
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I tow a 5 gal bucket or two , works for me
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Ok, so I have a 22 cc with a Honda 225 4stroke. Without wind and current the boat will only go as slow as 2.7 mph.

At the moment I just have to keep popping it in and out of gear and I don't think it's such a great thing to do all day long.

Any suggestions as how I can slow down my trolling speed? I've seen those trolling flaps that flip down behind the prop, but never used them before. I'm also in the middle of raising my motor mount position as it's mounted too low, would the high motor have less bite and slip a bit more or not really?
Just a question?? why would you want to troll at less than 2.7 miles.Do you troll live bait at that speed??
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I troll as slow as 1 mph for Kokanee salmon, sometimes not much more than that for trout.
I use a kicker motor for trolling with a very low pitch prop.
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EASY ANSWER - TROLLING BAGS.

Amish Outfitters "Beefy Bags" are generally recognized as the best trolling bags on Lake Erie where the vast majority of trollers use bags.

http://amishoutfitters.com/descriptions.htm#beefybags

I'd guess the right size for your boat would be a pair of 28 inch Beefy Bags depending on how slow you are looking to get. Rig them off the midship / springline cleats so the back of the bag is couple feet or so ahead of the transom that way they won't get in the way of rigging lines / bringing fish in and also can't get in your prop.
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When I fished northern Quebec lakes I tried the bag and I tried the trolling plate

I liked the trolling plate because I did not have to worry about the bag when I was trying to reel in the fish
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.

Yes, I am trolling live bait and tight to the rocky shoreline. My speed reading is from a GPS. I can troll all day at 2.7 and never get one take down. I can bump her in and out of gear and stay around 1.5mph or run my friends boat which coincidentally goes that slow and catch fish after fish.

I like the idea of the trolling flap. Has anyone istalled one on a larger outboard like a 225 4 stroke. and does it have any wierd effects when not in use and traveling at higher speeds? What are the negatives to the flap, if tehre are any?
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Can you just trim your motor up so only a blade or 2 is catching water? With a very poor angle of thrust you may slow down a bit. Try it and let me know, the live bait guys here pull buckets.

Another idea, why not make a couple of brackets on eachside of your motor on the transom. Make them out of 2" aluminum channel and make them wide enough to slide a 2X8 or 2X10 or bigger down in to the water. They would slide down as far as you need to slow you down, never be in the way and cheap to make.
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.

Yes, I am trolling live bait and tight to the rocky shoreline. My speed reading is from a GPS. I can troll all day at 2.7 and never get one take down. I can bump her in and out of gear and stay around 1.5mph or run my friends boat which coincidentally goes that slow and catch fish after fish.

I like the idea of the trolling flap. Has anyone istalled one on a larger outboard like a 225 4 stroke. and does it have any wierd effects when not in use and traveling at higher speeds? What are the negatives to the flap, if tehre are any?
Need some input on trolling speed??.The slowest I troll is 4 knots for 30lbs plus Groupers on the ledges at 15 to 20 feet depth.5 to 7 knots for Mackerels,jacks and other fish close to the shore.I do adjust the speed,depending on the sea state.Bluewaters? troll 8 to 10 knots for Tuna and 10 plus for marlin.
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.

Yes, I am trolling live bait and tight to the rocky shoreline. My speed reading is from a GPS. I can troll all day at 2.7 and never get one take down. I can bump her in and out of gear and stay around 1.5mph or run my friends boat which coincidentally goes that slow and catch fish after fish.
Will a bow mounted trolling motor work, we troll live bait here in SC for freshwater stripers and anything over 1.5 will drown the bait. Most of our trolling is less than 1mph and we all use Minn Kota Autopilot trolling motors and mine is on a deep v 21'. I can troll all day long with no problem at all, pretty much run on a setting of 2-3 and it keeps my boat right at .8 mph and works great unless it is very windy
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I tow a 5 gal bucket or two , works for me
or a drogue chute of some kind, these are the easiest fix...
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Need some input on trolling speed??.The slowest I troll is 4 knots for 30lbs plus Groupers on the ledges at 15 to 20 feet depth.5 to 7 knots for Mackerels,jacks and other fish close to the shore.I do adjust the speed,depending on the sea state.Bluewaters? troll 8 to 10 knots for Tuna and 10 plus for marlin.

Thanks, any fishing info is always welcomed. But in this case my concern is trying to slow down my troll speeds for in shore fishing. The only other trolling I do is offshore for Tuna and my trolling speeds there are no problem.

Like all of the above mentioned, anything over my 1.5 mph will drown the bait. Thats why I am searching for options.

I like the flap idea and may even try some of those amish bags off the springline cleat or even a trolling motor.
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Thanks, any fishing info is always welcomed. But in this case my concern is trying to slow down my troll speeds for in shore fishing. The only other trolling I do is offshore for Tuna and my trolling speeds there are no problem.

Like all of the above mentioned, anything over my 1.5 mph will drown the bait. Thats why I am searching for options.

I like the flap idea and may even try some of those amish bags off the springline cleat or even a trolling motor.
Oh! I was asking your input? sorry for pharasing it wrong.What speed you troll offshore??
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another option is to look at the pitch prop you have and size. typically 4 blades if propped right will be faster out of the hole with 3 blades higher top end (at least my local prop shop told me). go to you local prop shop and ask them if there is a different prop that you can use that might be a little slower out of the hole shop but still give you decent cruise. most will take your existing prop as a tade with minimam upcharge
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Trolling bags. Cabelas are burly and much cheaper than the others. I get down under 2mph with my 23 Proline, 225 Zuke swinging a 18.5" pitch prop.I use one bag, 2 will bring you way down. Easy to roll up and store when not in use.
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When I fished northern Quebec lakes I tried the bag and I tried the trolling plate

I liked the trolling plate because I did not have to worry about the bag when I was trying to reel in the fish
You need to hang the drift socks off the bow cleats and the bags run under the hull around center point of the hull not off the stern.

I use them and have no problems I also use 2 bags it makes it easier to steer. One bag will make you tack real bad. I am using 50" bags on my boat and can get down to below 1 mph gps speed
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You need to hang the drift socks off the bow cleats and the bags run under the hull around center point of the hull not off the stern.

I use them and have no problems I also use 2 bags it makes it easier to steer. One bag will make you tack real bad. I am using 50" bags on my boat and can get down to below 1 mph gps speed
Never thought of that

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