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Old 06-27-2010, 09:08 AM
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Default Cobia 237, Key West 2300, Tidewater 230?

I purchased my first saltwater fishing boat last September, and after 9 months of fishing around the area I've realized that I purchased the wrong style boat. I'm sure I'm not the first that has done this, and now looking to trade. My boat is a 2008 Sailfish 2100BB that I purchased new as a leftover. While it's a great boat, I've realized that I'd rather fish big water than the rivers and inlets. The other challenge I've got is that I need a console with a porta-potti for my wife and daughter. Fishing the rivers and such I'm close to shore if they need to run back, but out at the 4th island of the CBBT is too far to run back. Didn't think they'd want to go out with me much, but they've seen how much fun I'm having and now want to get in on the action.

So now for the new boat, I'm looking for something in the 23-24' range and don't really need twins. My fishing will be 70% lower Chesapeake bay and near shore, 20% tidal rivers, 10% relatively close offshore ( maybe hit a wreck once in awhile or chase cobia in the spring off Hatteras). I do a lot of drift fishing (flounder) and anchored fishing (drum, cobia, etc) so stability on drift is important. I'm looking for something that will handle the chop of the Chesapeake well, and be stable when anchored or drifting, something with a good balance of both. I know the 24* deadrise boats will handle the rough water best, but also rock and roll quite a bit at drift.

My dealer (who I really like) carries Cobia, Sailfish, Tidewater as well as Edgewater which is out of my price range. He's offered me a fair trade in on my boat, and I'm sure will make a good deal on a new boat but he has nothing in stock so the deal will only be so good.

I've found leftover 09 Cobia's that fit my budget, and a leftover 08 Key west that I'm fairly sure will be priced well (but it's the SS model). I'm pretty sure the Tidewater would be in my budget as well.

I've heard great things about Cobia since Maverick took them over, really like the layout and features, but I've not seen one in person.

Looked hard at a Tidewater last year, and while it appeared to be a well built boat the hardware and trim did not appear to be as nice as the Sailfish.

I've also looked as Key West and know they are well regarded here, the boat I'm interested in is the 2300ss. Is there ample room in the console for a porta-potti and is it usable?

Sailfish 2360 is also on my list, but none within my current budget. Also found a leftover 08 Scout 242 that is priced similar to the Sailfish. I could wait a couple months, sell my boat outright, and swing the Sailfish if that's the best choice.

There are plenty of nice used boats in my budget, but with new leftovers being only slightly higher price and in some cases =, and the fact that I can potentially trade mine in, I'd rather go that route.

So what are your thoughts on the Cobia, Key West, and Tidewater? How do they compare fit and finish wise to my Sailfish?

And before anyone jumps in and tells me I need to look at Sea Hunt, I'm familiar with them and their low on my list mainly because my local dealer is Ed's Marine and I wouldn't want to deal with them after the purchase.
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Just my .02, but I like the Cobia 237. I like all of the features this 23' has.
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I have the 2002 Version of the KW 2300cc

CC access is ok-console is not as large Height wise as the sailfish 236 which both of my brothers have owned so is smaller.

The sailfish rides better than the KW but rocks more and is wetter

The sailfish feels bigger-KW counts the pulpit in LOA

I primarily drift fish and anchor near shore up to 25 miles in Ocean

I prefer my eurotransom setup to the sailfish-gravity drain overboard insulated fishbox but it does rob cockpit space. Livewell is in leaning post and works off Y valve with SW washdown.

Also sailfish freeboard is higher so harder to reach over and midships the the liner angles outward so have sensation of falling out.

Fit Finish about the same-only issues i have had are
Trimtab rocker switch(covered by bennet(tabman
gelcoat chips(rather easily)
power to ebox light on the wire guage(replaced by me)
Fusepanel in E Box(replaced by me)
Plastic anchor opener broke by me


Not to bad for a boat with 558 hours launched in may 2003 and wetslipped april-dec in the Noreast

If I was more an offshore guy and trolled the sailfish is the wat to go

Both are a pain to be up front and cast on the forward seating-sailfish rocking and KW not enough kneebracing height


any other ? let me know
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Of those choices? KW. However... Sea Hunt would be my real choice. :D
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I considered the Cobia 237. Very inexpensive but I did not like the way the boat carries its beam too far forward which will impact ride greatly. I also did not like how thin the sides were. When I banged the sides with my fist the boat seemed very light. Inside the console the wall facing the console was as cheap as it could be. The in-floor fish boxes were way too small and a fraction of what was advertised. The 237's were asking around $45K and I am sure you could get them for way less. Check the motors. They had the F250 (circa 2006-2007), not the newer F250B which has major upgrades in the electronic control. You can tell because the F250B control has an LED on below the throttle with the words "active".

Why limit yourself to only the boats sold by your dealer????
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If it's between Cobia, Key West and Tidewater I would go with the KW.
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Cobia is now owned by Maverick which has an excellent reputation. I would seriously consider a Cobia.
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Why limit yourself to only the boats sold by your dealer????
I'm not limiting myself to only boats sold by one dealer, but would like something with dealer support not too far away. What I'm really looking for is a 23' or larger center console with seating and a console large enough for porta-potti, for under 55k.

I've found leftover 09 Cobia's that fit my budget and I'm assuming I can get a Tidewater for that. I've never looked at a Cobia in person, but when shopping last year I did look at Sea Hunt, Maycraft, Tidewater, Key West, Sea Chaser. The Key West looked to be on par with Sailfish, the others looked fine but not as nicely finished.

I know there are plenty of nice used boats out there in my budget, and I may end up going that route, but first choice would be to find a model year leftover new with warranties.
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Dealer support is important. I like the Key West but, wish you had more choices.
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Dealer support is important. I like the Key West but, wish you had more choices.
What would you reccomend in this category? My current dealer is 2.5 hours away and I know there are a lot of dealers in the VA Beach area where I do most of my boating. Triton, Parker, BW, Kencraft?
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What would you reccomend in this category? My current dealer is 2.5 hours away and I know there are a lot of dealers in the VA Beach area where I do most of my boating. Triton, Parker, BW, Kencraft?

If you had the money I'd say BW but, from what you mentioned earlier I'd go Triton than Parker (don't know Kencraft).
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As Pete says, I'd also check out Sea Hunt -- they offer great value on their new boats. Good dealers down there, too. Get a price quote from Ed's Marine for one of their packages... and then shop around and see if anyone can match it.

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I'm not limiting myself to only boats sold by one dealer, but would like something with dealer support not too far away. What I'm really looking for is a 23' or larger center console with seating and a console large enough for porta-potti, for under 55k.
My boat was under your budget and fully loaded with mooring cover and aluminum/stainless tandem brake trailer. The fit and finish is far superior to those boats you listed. I went 900 miles away to get an incredible deal. Every Yamaha dealer in my area will service me and honor the 5-year warranty that was included in the deal. I have talked to Everglades many times and I am comfortable that the factory will back me up.

I am not trying to push Everglades. I am proof that you can get a great boat under your stated budget if you are willing to step outside your area.

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My boat was under your budget and fully loaded with mooring cover and aluminum/stainless tandem brake trailer. The fit and finish is far superior to those boats you listed. I went 900 miles away to get an incredible deal. Every Yamaha dealer in my area will service me and honor the 5-year warranty that was included in the deal. I have talked to Everglades many times and I am comfortable that the factory will back me up.

I am not trying to push Everglades. I am proof that you can get a great boat under your stated budget if you are willing to step outside your area.

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No need to push, I'd love to find an Everglades in my price range. My sailfish dealer carries them, but has none in stock in the size range I'm after. Crawled all over a 35' with tripple 350's this weekend and my wife really liked that one.
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I own an 07 KW 23 SS with twin 115 etecs, and I keep it at little creek navy base. It is a good boat and I bought it new back in 07 for $44K (boat motors alum trailer) + electronics. It is good for your mentioned fishing habits. However this is my second boat and I am already dreaming of going even bigger (26' WA or 28' Ex boat), since I have the offshore bug baddddd. My boat will run 50Mph boat with 4 blade SS props, 53-55 with 3 blade SS props (1/2 fuel 2 people). With a full load 4 people fuel and gear I can get close too 45Mph (4 blade ss props).

Things I like:
Twins
Fuel capacity
over all finish (except anchor locker hatch)

Things I dislike:
Not enough Deadrise for my style of fishing
SS console too small for flush mounted electronics (go with the normal 23 vs SS model)
vinyl is already wearing thru on seats
Battery layout (under the rear deck, I added a house battery in the console)
rear bech seat since a buddy bent the supports

Over all the ride is ok for the lower bay and the areas your fishing. Drifting is GTG (e.g. low deadrise)

I will say I got caught once between 3 storms out at the south tower and made it home. The WX was good most of the day then in the afternoon it went from 2's to 5-8's in minutes (out of nowwhere the air temp dropped and the sky turned black, my own version of the perfect storm), but the boat handled the mess better than we did (I never want to experience that again, now I am gun shy with the weather reports).... BTW I plan to head down to the south tower this weekend weather depending...

If you have any specific questions let me know.

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cobia 237, second choice the KW.


Cobia 237 weighs 700lbs more then the KW, and you can tell the difference in the ride. More beam on the Cobia 237, drifts better and fishs on anchor better. Bilge access on the 237 is massive, and everything is easy to get to. Split boxes in the front are good also.


The Cobia Spirit 235's were cheap made. Not the the 237.
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KW, I had a 2004 2300CC for a few years. It was great and made many trips out the ledge in Jax, 140 miles roundtrip... You had to pick good weather days, but definitely saw its share of rough weather in afternoons here in FL.
We are looking to upgrade soon, and looking at a lot of the same boats.

There was a sweet Yellowfin 23 on here last year for $60k.
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