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Old 06-28-2010, 07:09 PM
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I like the layout and finish of my '02 KW 2300..the WA model shares the hull of the CC.. The transom fishbox is big and handy..the baitwell however is a little short on capacity. Most all of the vinyl is getting worn, but this is an eight yo boat with about 450 hrs on it.
The ride is decent, but you can tell it is a lighter weight hull than other boats in this size. KW counts the bow pulpit in that length, so its really more like a 22'.
We are ready for a bigger boat, as twofootitus has set in. I really feel good about selling it, 'cause it shows so well; plus the twin Yamahas are desirable. So is the 3 mpg at cruise, around 28 mph..
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I will say I got caught once between 3 storms out at the south tower and made it home. The WX was good most of the day then in the afternoon it went from 2's to 5-8's in minutes (out of nowwhere the air temp dropped and the sky turned black, my own version of the perfect storm), but the boat handled the mess better than we did (I never want to experience that again, now I am gun shy with the weather reports).... BTW I plan to head down to the south tower this weekend weather depending...

If you have any specific questions let me know.

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Not sure where the south tower is, but we where heading to the CLT for spadefish weekend before last in my bay boat, weather report was good. Got out off Cape Henry and wind was blowing 15-20 and all we could see where white caps. Needless to say we didn't go to the light tower and headed over to the backside of the third island instead. By the time we got ready to leave it was blowing 20-25 and not a fun ride home. Boat handled it fine but at slow speeds and I even managed to keep everyone dry. I need a bigger boat!
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I talked to Ed's and Sea Hunt Gamefish 24 is in my budget, although they don't take trades and have to order the boat with a 10 week wait. Also found a Triton 2486 that is in my budget.

Few more questions:

The Cobia has in floor fish boxes, do the KW, SH, and Tidewater? How about Triton 2486?

The Cobia and Triton have a folding rear seat rather than removable, how about the others?

Looks like the Tidewater has powdercoated tubes on the t-top, seems that would be a problem if I want to add a crows nest or tower. Would a fabricator be able to add ladders and a tower without pulling the whole top and re-powdercoating? Would that add a lot of cost to the job?
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The Cobia 237 in-floor fishboxes are too small. It seems that Cobia is stating they are 40 gallons and they are 40 quarts. They are too narrow for a small tuna. The in-floor boxes were all full of water and not draining when I saw the boat which also made me concerned.

Powder coating is the way to go for aluminum. I can't say enough about how easy it is to maintain and stays looking new.
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The Cobia 237 in-floor fishboxes are too small. It seems that Cobia is stating they are 40 gallons and they are 40 quarts. They are too narrow for a small tuna. The in-floor boxes were all full of water and not draining when I saw the boat which also made me concerned.

Powder coating is the way to go for aluminum. I can't say enough about how easy it is to maintain and stays looking new.
I'll definately check them out for size, but aren't even 2 extra 40 quart fishboxed in the floor better than none at all? Narrow may not be an issue for me, looking for boxes long enough to throw cobia in.

What happens to the powdercoating when I take it to have a tower put on? If they have to weld to the existing tower I'd guess they have to re-powdercoat the whole thing? If they don't have to weld, I'd still have to get the tower powdercoated to match.
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Powder Coating is awesome for the first few years, in terms of looks and maintenance. But, then it starts to chip and scrape off -- and looks like hell.
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Powder Coating is awesome for the first few years, in terms of looks and maintenance. But, then it starts to chip and scrape off -- and looks like hell.
RSM is referring to a crappy job. When it is done correctly, it is great. It is like painting a car. Process is everything.
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RSM is referring to a crappy job. When it is done correctly, it is great. It is like painting a car. Process is everything.
What's the best way to tell a crappy job from a good one?
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What's the best way to tell a crappy job from a good one?

Even on the best brands -- like Whaler, Edgewater and Pursuit -- this can happen... I've seen it -- look around a Marina the next time you're there. There's an Everglades in my harbor -- one that is heavily used for fishing -- and it has the powder coating has worn off it on all the elbows and there are scrapes in it that are unsightly. I'll try and take a picture of it next time I'm there. It looks really bad, IMO. I had a Whaler dealer tell me, that for powder coating, it was inevitable that it was going to happen in a few years, but was the "hot" marketing thing right now. I guess if you'll only own the boat for a few years and treat it gently, then you'll be okay... Boats have enough maintenance to have to worry about this stuff, IMO.

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You should ask RedSoxMan which manufacturers he knows of that are doing crappy work. I would like to know his basis for his comment also.

Like painting, there are different grades of powder coating product and various levels of quality in workmanship. Key to a lasting finish is insure that the material being coated is free of defects or corrosion which could grow under the powder coating and make it peel. Powder coating on cheaper metals, like patio furniture, will not last as long as quality aluminum and should not be used for comparison purposes.
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Even on the best brands -- like Whaler, Edgewater and Pursuit -- this can happen... I've seen it -- look around a Marina the next time you're there. There's an Everglades in my harbor -- one that is heavily used for fishing -- and it has the powder coating has worn off it on all the elbows and there are scrapes in it that are unsightly. I'll try and take a picture of it next time I'm there. It looks really bad, IMO. I had a Whaler dealer tell me, that for powder coating, it was inevitable that it was going to happen in a few years, but was the "hot" marketing thing right now. I guess if you'll only own the boat for a few years and treat it gently, then you'll be okay... Boats have enough maintenance to have to worry about this stuff, IMO.

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You should never reference cases of poor maintenance, neglect, or abuse as an example of poor process or workmanship.

If you beat the crap out of any finish, including anodized aluminum or powder coat, you will compromise the protective coating and create a place for corrosives to get under the coating.

I am looking forward to seeing your pictures of the Everglades you mentioned.
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You should ask RedSoxMan which manufacturers he knows of that are doing crappy work. I would like to know his basis for his comment also.

Like painting, there are different grades of powder coating product and various levels of quality in workmanship. Key to a lasting finish is insure that the material being coated is free of defects or corrosion which could grow under the powder coating and make it peel. Powder coating on cheaper metals, like patio furniture, will not last as long as quality aluminum and should not be used for comparison purposes.
RSM has a valid point... Look, Everglades makes a nice boat and I am glad you like yours, but that does not diminish the problems associated with a powder coated finish (chipping, bubbling etc) which have been reported across many brands including Everglades.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...ad-asap-6.html

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...wder-coat.html

I do agree it looks nice though, but it's just not designed to withstand the test of time.
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All great points on powdercoating, I've dealt with it quite a bit on other aluminum products and have a good powdercoater here in town.

My question is still unanswered though. If I decide to add a tower or crows nest with ladders, and any welding to the existing frame is necessary, won't the whole frame need to be pulled off the boat and re-powdercoated? I know how powdercoating works and the whole frame would have to go into an oven to do it right.
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Cobia is now owned by Maverick which has an excellent reputation. I would seriously consider a Cobia.
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I'd go with Cobia or Sea Hunt but larger than 23' maybe a 25'. I don't think you get that much more boatspace going from a 21' to a 23. Take a measuring tape along and measure distance from console to end of floor at stern. Use that as a guide. you will be surprised at how little real space is acquired..

Stay away from powder coated stuff. The hype is there but not the durability.

Spending you money on a new boat to then have to keep repairing it all the time is the pits. Only bad boat I ever purchased was a 19' sailboat. The gelcoat came off in circular chunks. The company paid for the repairs but I got sick and tired of fixing it so I sold it. Never buy that well thought off brand again.

I like my SH. 4 yrs and still going strong. Only dinks on it I put there.

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The size difference between a 21 and a 23 can be quite a bit. An extra foot in front of the console and one behind the console makes a world of difference. It also changes the handling of the boat a great deal.
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I'll definately check them out for size, but aren't even 2 extra 40 quart fishboxed in the floor better than none at all? Narrow may not be an issue for me, looking for boxes long enough to throw cobia in.

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Yes, any in floor boxes are by far better then none. There is also a very large in floor storage in the bow of the Cobia. The Cobia by far has more storage then any of the others you asked about.

I have been looking at the exact boats you are looking at.

The Cobia fits my needs best. I own a Sea Hunt 220. The cobia is better built, better laid out and overall a better boat for the same money. I want twins, and the Cobia 237 fits perfect with Twin F115s. Big plus for me.

The Key West is a small boat, that is the reason they have to sell them with a bay boat center console. I am a big boy, and fished one with a normal console, it was way to small.

I was waiting for the tidewater 23'. Once I gave it a good look over was not impressed.
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. The in-floor boxes were all full of water and not draining when I saw the boat which also made me concerned.

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The are 80 gallon, more long then wide. They also have pumps on them, should not have water in them. Not the best box for tuna, but kings, ling etc... will work perfect.


Maybe you saw melted ice?


here are the specs and pics
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Jeep, I saw the specs and called the factory when I was shopping. They would not verify it for me. Do you think you can fit 8 5-gallon jugs in that skinny shallow box? You can not even fit one. I think they measured with the plug out and their 40 gallons fell on the ground. I am not near a 237 any longer. Our local dealer dropped them after not being able to sell them for a year at rock-bottom prices. Can you get the inside measurements on the box?

I also was surprised to look at all the empty space under the floor. It seemed either hollow or used by in-floor storage and had very little flotation foam. It made me concerned that it did not have level flotation or even basic flotation. Their specs don't mention it at all. Ask them about their certs.
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