Fishing Partner Wants To Get His Own Boat ???? - The Hull Truth

tunatyme · 08-15-2004, 09:54 PM

Dont take me wong on this I'm just don't know how to think of it. I meet my fishing partner at work 12 years ago and his father owned a sportfisher and we fished on that for years. Then I purchased my boat 3 years ago and he hasn't fished with his father that much. Matter of fact he hasn't been offshore at all this year and with me ,his father, or another friend of owrs becouse he is waiting for the fish to show up in good numbers so he can go catching and not fishng. Then last month he tells me he is looking at a 26'Cat boat and will fish it when they show up. My wife being the quit woman she is asked him if he was smoking crack. She said that you can get a ride on 3 differant boats and you want one of your own WHY ???

I told him what I thought about it and he said that I can leave my boat at the dock and fish with him all the time. Thats when I said hold on buddy. I cant make the note on my boat and dont use it and that he will need to get a crew together to share cost. I cant make my nut on the boat and fork out more cash to pay for the gas on his boat. I dont think he gets how much it cost me to run this boat. He calls me for advise on this boat and that boat and I tell him the truth. I guess that when he gets his boat I will have to see what happens between us. Do you think that my thinking is screwed up or what???

Doxy · 08-15-2004, 10:06 PM

yes

kidding, although I don't think you should take it personally. Think about it, why do you own a boat? I could fish every day of the week on a different friends boat, but ........ It's not rational, it's a sickness. You would then have to apply your own rationale to yourself. That could be bad.

bluedevil · 08-15-2004, 10:29 PM

Whats wrong with him having his on boat? If you depend on him to go fishing becuase of money why do you even have a boat? Doesnt make much since to me? Dont dwell on it to much i mean you can still be friends!

mronzo · 08-15-2004, 10:39 PM

He's tired of being the MATE
and wants to be CAPT!
Aye!

Sandtiger · 08-15-2004, 10:50 PM

Sell your boat and fish on his. It would be a lot cheaper!

Seriously, why do have a boat? Probably for the same reason he wants one. I wouldn't be upset. If you have to have someone go with you so you can afford it, find another fishing partner.

Blue C's · 08-16-2004, 08:20 AM

Just went through this.............Now I've got a better situation, I think..

I definitely own a better boat!
I would have to ask if your "friend" has a CLUE what owning a boat costs! Then does he expect you to help him with the cost? I don't think you made yourself clear to him that you need him to help you "make the note", but, if you did and he is bailing on you without a good reason or discussing it first, then screw him! I would find another fishing "partner"! If you signed for a "note" you can't handle that was your first mistake.

My situation was different and since my partner rarely fished at all, I knew it was only a matter of time before he wanted out. It was my decision to sell when he told me he wanted out. I figured it was the best and it was. He did pay at least half, but still was nowhere near half when you add all the "other" expenses like drinks, bait, fuel, maintenance items, etc. etc. His half was for boat ownership only and if he had to split half the "other" bills and didn't fish, he would have wanted out along time ago

There aren't that many individuals/"non" owners out there, that have a frickin' clue what it costs to own and operate a boat! Hell, there aren't that many NEW boat owners that have a frickin' clue! Probably just a matter of time before your "friend" finds out for himself! I do agree somewhat to the "wants to be the Captain" comment, but would you be comfortable with him as the Captain anyway? I doubt it.......
I feel bad for you because he probably can't or won't give you a legitimate "reason".
I think your term for "partner" is incorrect unless he is or was splitting EVERY cost for running YOUR boat. That my friend RARELY happens!! Trust me........
I would tell your "partner" that you are going to sell or look for another partner and he is expected to cover his half until you do so. I almost guarantee that the s#!t will hit the fan then, but he needs to know the situation he has put you in.

In my opinion, you need to sell your boat and get out of the "note" and move on. I won't and don't trust anyone to come up with anything to cover my expenses for my hobbies and never will, again. If I can't do it myself, I won't do it at all.
You have to be able to cover all the expenses yourself and a "paying partner" is just a bonus! Most "partners" think they can just QUIT when they feel like it without causing a problem, but when you get into larger boats, it causes real trouble, as you are finding out. Once you sell your boat, you can, if you want to after all this, make him an offer to fish in his boat that YOU can afford , and only when you are onboard and can get out of it if or when you want to!! Why not, that's the deal he had!! Good luck to you.

BareCat · 08-16-2004, 08:42 AM

This sounds almost like my situation. 4 years ago when I moved here I met some really nice guys and all had fishing boats, and I became very good friends with them. They said, why buy another fishing boat? just buy a pontoon that the wife will enjoy and just use that for crusing around the bay, I can fish on their boats when they go out. (they all agreed to this) This lasted for 2 years. I started to feel like a "Boat Whore", just hanging out until someone was going fishing, I had nothing to offer except a little cruise once and awhile. th
To make a long story short. I bought a 26' Cat that can be used for cruising that my wife enjoys (great ride) and it can also be used off shore. (sold the pontoon) Yes, it costs more to own my own boat but the guys now have another boat to fish on. Nobody's mad at anyone, we all chip in for gas, I don't worry that I have more maintence, and besides, they like the ride of the cat in rough water. Everybody's Happy!

Capt. Dan · 08-16-2004, 11:43 AM

Easy sollution... Sell him your boat, fish with him everytime he goes, then once he realizes how expensive it is and begins complaining buy it back, minus substantial depreciation!

In Agreement · 08-16-2004, 01:01 PM

I've been where he is.

If he has other friends than just you, maybe he feels guilty to invite them to fish with him since it is your boat and not his. I fished with my father-in-law for years while I was boatless for a time, I always felt guilty to get a fishing party together and not include him, since after all, it was his boat I was using. Always worried about damaging his boat.

Finally bought myself another boat and now I come and go as I please with who I want. We still fish together on one or the others boat and many times we have 3-4 boats, all friends that have fished with me. It makes it more fun with all the friends and their boats along for a little friendly competition and bragging rights.

As others have said , if you bought your boat thinking he was going to help pay the note, that was your mistake.

Get over it and help him make the best choice for him and his boat purchase. Welcome him into boat ownership and wish him the best. He may find out it costs alot to own a boat, then again he could make your best buddyboat partner since you did get him into the boating and fishing thing.

Garett · 08-16-2004, 01:22 PM

Hard times will generally hit when banking on another

, so climb out from under that rock - do it on your own, you will be a lot happier. I grew up with the notion of not asking for help from others - it is very predictable; then when help is offered, it is always a bonus. But by the sounds of it, you have become dependant on another. Only YOU have a chance of GUARANTEEING your actions live a lone someone elses.

Now if you were to go fishing on his boat; the arrangement he had with you, I would expect the numbers to be the same but in the reverse order.

So what if you partner/friend wanting his own boat, I don't see a problem with that at all - heck I wanted my own boat too. Who knows, maybe going fishing on Mon, Tues, Fri, Sat & Sun doesn't exactly fit HIS schedule; maybe his wife is raining down on him? Maybe this guy and his wife feel like they are just renting an apartment - money down the drain?

As far as remaining friends - why not? Oh sure now that you won't be hanging around each other 3,4,5,6 times a week will create separation, but that doesn't mean that you can't continue going to the bar once a week to watch Monday Night Football. Remember that is always easier to throw away friendships then it is to make them, so now you just might have to work to hang onto one.

tunatyme · 08-16-2004, 04:46 PM

Most of you got what I was trying to say but Garett you where WAY OFF the mark. I'm not in trouble making my note Or don't live under a dock. I just dont want us to grow apart as fishing friends becouse I will be on my boat and he will be on his. From what I have learned about boating Garett is that you can have a boat and when its time to go off shore if you dont have someone with you its kinda hard to reel and gaff tuna with out a little help. And someone helping paying for Gas ,Ice and Bait helps out to. Like I said thanks for the input and what will happen will happen I just need to go with the flow.
Thanks again Dave

Spooled · 08-16-2004, 05:48 PM

I used to fish all the time with a buddy who had a bigger boat. I moved up to a 23(From 20) and moved inlets(20 Miles South) and now we fish less together but fish on the boat closest to the meat inshore, his boat(25 with twins) further offshore(40 + miles). I like being able to invite other people on My boat-kinda hard inviting you and 3 on someone elses rig

Kamper · 08-16-2004, 07:43 PM

Forget trying to talk him out of it. No matter what you say (unless he's really insolvent), he's going to think you're a hypocrite.

Be happy for him. Give him the best, sincere advice you can with the purpose of*safe and productive fishing. After he gets his boat you will be able to "buddy up" and share captain*stories.*

Good luck!*

auguste · 08-16-2004, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Kamper - 8/16/2004 7:43 PM

Forget trying to talk him out of it. No matter what you say (unless he's really insolvent), he's going to think you're a hypocrite.

Be happy for him. Give him the best, sincere advice you can with the purpose of*safe and productive fishing. After he gets his boat you will be able to "buddy up" and share captain*stories.*

Good luck!*

I think that Kamper provided good advice.

supermegayacht · 08-16-2004, 09:18 PM

does he get to listen to his own boating tunes?????????

Garett · 08-16-2004, 11:11 PM

Actually tunatyme in my first paragraph I made no reference of the "note". My first paragraph was referring to the dependency of others for an activity that was in the first place your principal interest and under taking. But after re-reading my post I can see how you could have extracted your opinion/comment.

My second paragraph is talking about money, but nothing there indicates you have a problem paying for your boat or pastime.

Hawkeye · 08-16-2004, 11:24 PM

What mronzo said,

He's tired of being the MATE
and wants to be CAPT!
Aye!

Stay friends, fish with him a few time and find you some more fishing friends.

Sea Wolf · 08-16-2004, 11:39 PM

You only go through life once. ------ He wants his own boat.----- It is that simple. My wife and I have a boat that we only get out on once a week for a short ride. But we enjoy the fun. Yes it is expensive, but like I already said, ----" you only go through this life once"!

glacierbaze · 08-16-2004, 11:50 PM

I think some are reading more into the term partner than might have been intended. Was there a financial understanding that you based your boat purchase on, or are you just fishing buddies who split expenses? What I'm really curious about is what happened to the old man when you two left that 'partnership' and started fishing on your own?