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Old 05-15-2010, 04:09 AM
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Default Are Sport Fish battle wagons fading in popularity

I am talking about 50ft and bigger some much bigger Inboard diesels. I seem to be noticing some locals that always had these that are moving down to 30ft center consoles.I even know of two that downsized to one CC in jersey and one at their condo in FL. A couple of the boats were owned by people that are still doing good at their business and some that are moving down because they want to fish but cant afford the upkeep and captain. There will always be a few guys that want a bigger boat.but I think the inventory of boats at give away prices will afford any of them a cheap entry battlwagon.
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I am talking about 50ft and bigger some much bigger Inboard diesels. I seem to be noticing some locals that always had these that are moving down to 30ft center consoles.I even know of two that downsized to one CC in jersey and one at their condo in FL. A couple of the boats were owned by people that are still doing good at their business and some that are moving down because they want to fish but cant afford the upkeep and captain. There will always be a few guys that want a bigger boat.but I think the inventory of boats at give away prices will afford any of them a cheap entry battlwagon.
I will never understand the thought process of some people paying $300K or more on a large center console but will pass on a 50 footer or bigger for less money and you can do much more than fish with it. I agree the large boat market is suffering but that's why I was able to buy my large sport fish .....

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Bly, you are behind the curve on this. This has been happening for the last few years. The inboard market, diesel or gas, is dead from 30-45'.

Bryan, first, there are not many center consoles at $300K or more, a few yes, but not many. The reasons are clear why one would choose to pass on the 50 footer. First, if a 50 footer is less money than a CC, it is a piece of crap, old, with old thirsty power technology and slow. Second, it costs me less $90 a month to store my CC where a 50 footer would cost me almost $1000 a month in a marina. No bottom jobs or bottom cleanings on my CC. Insurance is not even close to the cost of a 50 footer. I would rather have a 35 knot cruise at 1.4nmpg than a 18 knot cruise at .4nmpg. Very little maintenance on my CC, massive maintenance on a 50 footer.

I could go on for a page here as to why someone would pass on the 50 footer but it seemed obvious in the first place. You may have gone the other direction but the market has spoken and the 50 footers are not the choice in the case you described.
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What do you guys think about starting a forum specifcally for talking about why CCs are better than sportys. I can think of about 20 threads this week that we can move over
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CC's are nice if all your fishing is day trips. If you want to stay aboard for a couple of days, they aren't very practical. A large SF can be used as a second home on weekends. With the price of waterfront real estate, it may be far cheaper to buy a large, older SF for a couple hundred thousand and park it in a nice marina somewhere your family enjoys spending weekends, like near a nice beach.

I still can't understand people spending over $100,000 for a 26' CC. You would think after 20+ years designing boats that it would make sense to me by now, but it doesn't. By the way, I love CC's and spend the bulk of my time designing them.
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I just helped deliver a 72' sporfisher from Ca to Cabo, if I had the money I'd own one in a minute.
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Bly, you are behind the curve on this. This has been happening for the last few years. The inboard market, diesel or gas, is dead from 30-45'.

Bryan, first, there are not many center consoles at $300K or more, a few yes, but not many. The reasons are clear why one would choose to pass on the 50 footer. First, if a 50 footer is less money than a CC, it is a piece of crap, old, with old thirsty power technology and slow. Second, it costs me less $90 a month to store my CC where a 50 footer would cost me almost $1000 a month in a marina. No bottom jobs or bottom cleanings on my CC. Insurance is not even close to the cost of a 50 footer. I would rather have a 35 knot cruise at 1.4nmpg than a 18 knot cruise at .4nmpg. Very little maintenance on my CC, massive maintenance on a 50 footer.

I could go on for a page here as to why someone would pass on the 50 footer but it seemed obvious in the first place. You may have gone the other direction but the market has spoken and the 50 footers are not the choice in the case you described.
That just this year are doing this and I personally know of two that have it and just tired of the big boat hassle. When we use to fish the tournaments in big boats in the Islands or even fun fishing over there. The owner would rent rooms most times anyway. So who needs a floating condo since I am a bit of a fair weather fisherman in my twilight years anyway.
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If you want to cruise, buy a pontoon boat. If your going to the Bahamas for a couple days, rent a room and keep the boat at the marina. Its will still be cheaper than a 50+ up keep, plus how many times is someone actually going on vacation in a 50+ every year. CC are way more fishable than a sporty ever thought of being. My thought is different from ya'lls, I've always wondered why someone would pay $300k for a sporty when they can get the baddest CC around for that price. I dont see any use for a sporty, waste of fiberglass. Yeah, you can go to the refrigerator and get a drink 100 miles offshore and sit in the AC, but that takes the fun out of the whole thing. Might as well stay your azz on the couch at the house if your that home sick. When it all boils down, sportys are just a waste of money.
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I like cruising at 48 mph and I don't need an experience crew (deck hand) to go fishing.
I like getting involved in the fishing also, I don't want to sit up in the flybrigdge all day.
One of the best things that I like to do is sticking the gaff in a fish.
But there are numerous thing that make a CC a better boat, and I will have to make a list.
By the way I have a 34 SeaVee for sale LOL.(still would not trade to a sport fisher)
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I never had the $ for a big boat. But, I have friends with them

The big go fast boats are a no brainer in Florida, it so nice for so long that few of them have enclosures, and they don't normally HAVE to go 60 miles to fish....

Up in the NE where the fish are 60+ miles, a big CC is okay if you don't have anything else. Like going camping (when and if it stays nice). The best bite is almost always at dusk or dawn, overniters are always the best trips. My partner used to leave 3pm and return 24 hours later, intrest in doing that on a CC are over for me. Now, that same trip on a boat that has more amenities than my home... "What can I bring, Cap?"
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CC's are nice if all your fishing is day trips. If you want to stay aboard for a couple of days, they aren't very practical. A large SF can be used as a second home on weekends. With the price of waterfront real estate, it may be far cheaper to buy a large, older SF for a couple hundred thousand and park it in a nice marina somewhere your family enjoys spending weekends, like near a nice beach.

I still can't understand people spending over $100,000 for a 26' CC. You would think after 20+ years designing boats that it would make sense to me by now, but it doesn't. By the way, I love CC's and spend the bulk of my time designing them.
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It is part regional too. Cc in the northeast, I have no use for one, short season for that.
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To say a sportfish is simply a waste of money is ignorance.



Each type of boat has its own unique useage.

If all you want to do is run around in the intracostal. You need an entry level CC.

If you want to run far out to the fish and back the same day. Buy the biggest and fastest CC you can afford.

If you want to run out to the fish, hang out there for the night, and back the next day or next few days. You need a sportfish.



The best senario is to own one of each for each different occasion.
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My neighbor has a 52' Hatteras that he bought cheap, and he's frugal. His use for the boat (because he's retired) is to leave his home whenever and troll out as far as his party wants to go. He's burning 5GPH so he doesn't care if he trolls all day long. Overnight a night or two and come back in. For him, time isn't important, so his trips are cheap and comfortable while having his family and friends around him.

young = CC....and SF as you age.
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I guess I'm a 'tweener. I have 2 young kids (2 and 4) so need a place for the kids to escape the weather and to play...

I currently have a Hydra Sports 2500 VX

I prefer the express configuration even for the bigger boats (low 40 foot range). The elevated helm of convertibles is designrd for a hired captain IMHO. I hate being separated from the action...

As for sleeping on the boat... I'm sure it'll be fun for the kids as a novelty. But my wife and I are spoiled... we'll get a room / suite regardless...

No need to drag a livingroom and kitchen around...
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no one has said rough water capability, sure CC's are fun and fast, but when I want to go fishing in 6-8 or have payed entry into a billfish tourny and its 8-10, well boys im still going fishing you cant do that in a 30 foot CC. I live off NC where the weather is good about 1/4 of the time to go in a 23 foot cc offshore. I guess its all want you want, id rather sit there and cruise out at 20-25 knots sippin diesel and then put out lines for wahoo when we get deep enough and troll till we get where were going.
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Hard to compare a big SF and a 36 CC...made to do basically the same thing in 2 different ways....ever try to fight a fish 360 degrees around the boat...tough on a SF...tons of expensive maintenance, dock fees, much slower, higher GPH, harder to handle in close quarters, on and on....CC can get sporty in nasty conditions, you might get wet, your beer cans/bottles get wet in a cooler, no place to sleep, no TV or oven, no A/C anywhere....wind in you hair....
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Same difference as between a sports car like a Porche and a nice big Escalade: comfort.
A CC is great if youre intersted in nothing but catching fish. If you also like to relax and enjoy life on the water for itself - there's nothing like a nice comfortable 40' SF w/ a flybridge. A nice 40 Jersey or 42' Post - nothing like it!
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We have both, a large CC (38 ft) and a 50 ft SF. They both have their advantages, but I will say that the only fishing that gets done on the CC now days is a quick run out for snapper or other bottom fish.

Living in Texas, we have a long way to go to get to the marlin, it was certainly fun to run out 80 or so miles in the CC and then run back later that night. But, the SF wins hands down for multiple day long trips and for tournament fishing. Just the extra storage space makes it worth it to us, not to mention the comfort... The post above sums it up perfectly, it's a Porsche vs. an Escalade. Which one would you rather drive cross country in through a hurricane?
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That I see moving down that dont have too $$. They are getting more frugal even though they dont have too. Or they are looking to simplify their fishing experiences I think. Is this a trend or just a part of the bad economic times?>I think its a trend.
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IMO a sportfish is the real deal. The trend has been for CC's to be more like them in size, amenities, and comfort. (not going to make any friends on this forum with that!)

The economy and fuel costs have made sportys much harder to own and operate.
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