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Old 05-15-2010, 04:23 PM
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Big CC's are fairly new to the market, so some of this is guys trying out new toys.

The next comer will be the 40 mph 30x11'11 cat with an enclosed cabin and an AC/Heater and a place to lie down.
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for the type of boating and cruising we do down here in Trinidad a flybridge sportsfisher is the best thing as I get the best of both worlds a good boat for fishing offshore and tarpon fishing. we also do alot of cruising around the grenadines, which are a bout 100 miles away and we would normally stay on board for a week, so the accomodations of a sf are needed. but hey there is a boat for every person and i see the merits of a big cc.
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"Whatever floats your boat."

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Ene the rich cats with the 50-70ft $2-3mil boats have had their cash flows adjusted.........it takes a fairly large stream of cash to keep them insured, moored, fueled, etc.etc...........like running 10,000 square foot house....only much worse.
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If you want to cruise, buy a pontoon boat. If your going to the Bahamas for a couple days, rent a room and keep the boat at the marina. Its will still be cheaper than a 50+ up keep, plus how many times is someone actually going on vacation in a 50+ every year. CC are way more fishable than a sporty ever thought of being. My thought is different from ya'lls, I've always wondered why someone would pay $300k for a sporty when they can get the baddest CC around for that price. I dont see any use for a sporty, waste of fiberglass. Yeah, you can go to the refrigerator and get a drink 100 miles offshore and sit in the AC, but that takes the fun out of the whole thing. Might as well stay your azz on the couch at the house if your that home sick. When it all boils down, sportys are just a waste of money.
I bet you are in the under age 35 crowd. If so, let's see if you have the same opinion at 45 or 50. All fish all the time really started to wear on my once I passed 40. On those 30-36 hour overnighters we tend to do in the NE canyons, having a bit of a cabin that keeps you out of the weather some, allows you to grab a couple of hour nap, store stuff that stays dry and sit down and eat a meal is a real bonus. I certainly wouldn't mind having the speed of a big CC (on those few occasions you can actually use it), but I am willing to trade a 40+ kt cruise for 27-32 kts of a good sized express boat (Viking 45 or 52, Cabo 38, 40, 45 or 52, Henriques 42, Albemarle 41 - maybe even some in the 32-37' range (Carolina Classic or Topaz)).
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This has been on my mind for three years. Now that home prices are beginning to drop from credit-bubble highs the math says not to buy a high overhead boat. The total cost of a sportfish makes them a foolish expenditure for me. Moreover, you cannot get out of the sportfish expense quickly if the facts of your life (income or assets) change for the worse.

The wife and I are going to close on an ocean-near home next month. The house if one block from the beach with a great view. I plan to keep my 25” walk-around boat under the house when not in use. The house is only 4 miles from a free boat ramp and if I choose to keep the boat in the water during long vacations I can rent a slip at one of the nearby marinas at a reasonable rate. Moreover – when the new wears off or I get really busy we plan to rent the house out to beachgoers.

The short and long economics for me makes this plan the best as I am more likely to get a better ROI with the home vs. a sportfish.

Nothing against sportfishers though - just trying to be wise with the personal economics – hope to retire one day happy and secure.
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I think most guys that have never owned a 35+ foot twin diesel sportfisherman just don't understand how much maintenance and upkeep there really is, not to mention the costs. Everyone thinks about the two great days of cruising and fishing in the Islands, but rarely talk about the week prior and subsequent to the trip where you spend a fortune getting the boat ready and then repairing whatever breaks. Even 1-4 year old boats aren't exempt from that routine. I got tired of it so moved down to a 31' CC with four strokes and haven't missed it yet. As to comfort, if it's 3-5' my ass ain't goin' anyway, so it doesn't do me any good. My thoughts are this overall trend is having an effect on the values of big boats.
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I can attest to the fact that there is no inexpensive large sportfisher. But ... it doesn't need to cost $2 million bucks either.

I can also say that my children LOVE the Bertram 28 and have the time of their lives aboard that boat, in the cabin, riding the tube, watching the funny adults and bigger kids on the wakeboard ... returning to the cabin for snacks, warmth and a potty break. I didn't mention fishing because I have yet to catch a fish on the B28:-)

Hate to admit it but my primary purpose for the B28 and the B54 is ... as a cruiser that can handle some weather if necessary. We have a place in Maine on the Penobscot Bay but all that means is that I can walk down and get on the boat every day all season long.

The B54 will allow us to hop around to different destinations ... with the dogs and spend the night ... and bring another family along if we want.

I will also learn to fish with the guys and use the boat to entertain big clients.

I'm not surprised that the market for these big boats is less than it was. I have watched America go from the dot com bubble, to the stock market bubble, to the real estate bubble and now we are turning the federal government up by it's ankles to ring every last cent out of our grandchildren's children in a last gasp attempt to keep the funny money flowing.

When the smoke clears, there will be less very rich people and more very poor people in this country just like Europe. The politicians who claim to be "for the people" are the privileged class taking from the people. The more of these clowns that we can throw out of power the more likely that our economy will improve over time.

In the mean time, it makes sense to me that there are going to be fewer of these big boats around.

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It is an apples and orange comparison.
You're looking at it only from the perspective of catching fish.

Many with larger expresses and sporties (myself included) use their boats for cruising as well.

You can't cruise- or entertain- on a CC...period (please spare me the "yes we can/do, we have beanbags". Cruising with a CC is like tent camping (NO THANKS), with an express/sportie it's a luxury motorhome...
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The short and long economics for me makes this plan the best as I am more likely to get a better ROI with the home vs. a sportfish

Nothing against sportfishers though - just trying to be wise with the personal economics – hope to retire one day happy and secure.
To try to put a price (or ROI) on boating memories (or any other luxurious memories) is simply .

If ROI is that important to you. Sell your boat, your car, and everthing else that depreciated. Then consider taking up bird watching. It is totally FREE. How about that for ROI?

Some of us that buy what we buy is becuase we want to have such memories (that is what makes life worthwhile). 150K for boat, 50k for truck, 10k for annual upkeep, 5k for annual fuel, 5k for annual insurance, 5k for annual miscellaneous. Having the 5yr old ask to go fishing on the boat - priceless.
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Big CC's are fairly new to the market, so some of this is guys trying out new toys.

The next comer will be the 40 mph 30x11'11 cat with an enclosed cabin and an AC/Heater and a place to lie down.

Sign me up for that!
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Ok, I respect your opinion..

However, I suspect our memories at the new beach house and on the 25' boat will be pretty good.

Did one or both of us miss something?

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To try to put a price (or ROI) on boating memories (or any other luxurious memories) is simply .

If ROI is that important to you. Sell your boat, your car, and everthing else that depreciated. Then consider taking up bird watching. It is totally FREE. How about that for ROI?

Some of us that buy what we buy is becuase we want to have such memories (that is what makes life worthwhile). 150K for boat, 50k for truck, 10k for annual upkeep, 5k for annual fuel, 5k for annual insurance, 5k for annual miscellaneous. Having the 5yr old ask to go fishing on the boat - priceless.
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In So. Cal. most days you couldn't (or at least wouldn't want to) run 40+ knots offshore so I don't buy into the need-for-speed argument in my area. Large CC's don't have the popularity here that they seem to in other regions. While I love to fish, I also love to spend 2-3 days with my family at Catalina and you can't do that on a CC. After a day of play, we can BBQ steaks, make popcorn and watch a movie before going to sleep in a comfortable bed. Wake up, make some coffee, and enjoy the morning. Hard to beat! I also agree on the age comment. Now that I'm north of 40 the idea of always being exposed to the elements in a CC just doesn't hold the same appeal it might have a few years ago. To each his own, and it depends on each person's personal decision as to how they wish to allocate their discretionary resources. It's not a one size fits all proposition.
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Many good points noted here but in addition I think boat use has changed because life has changed. There used to be a ton on big sportfishers here but in the past decade or two there are less and less all the time. I feel that some of the reason is changing lifestyles. People don't go cruise on the boat for a week or two or more so much now. If you have kids they are going to sports year round often the same sport that goes year round instead of just a season like in the past. It is hard to get away. The adults are going in a thousand different directions also. I don't think people have the time or perhaps the attention span to do anything for more than a couple of days in a row. There used to be the Southern Ocean Racing Conference (IIRC) sailboat race around Florida years ago and at one point they changed the format to day races because partipants did not want to race for more than a day. Don't know if the series exists or not anymore. A series of day races was OK but they did not want to race from harbor to harbor. I just think things have changed and in addition people can now brag about their 40' CC and it costs a lot less than a 40' SF but still is 40' .

Different times different boats. If I had the money I would love a 38' to 40' express but thats not happening. For my use that would be the ticket.
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Ok, I respect your opinion..

However, I suspect our memories at the new beach house and on the 25' boat will be pretty good.

Did one or both of us miss something?
We are just different folks with different strokes so don't take it the wrong way.

If you prefer your house on the beach and your fishing as day trip. A beach house with a 25' boat works great.

If you prefer your house to be where ever (perhap 75 miles off shore) while you are fishing. A sportfisher is for you.
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Now that home prices are beginning to drop from credit-bubble highs the math says not to buy a high overhead boat.
That is an under statement.
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...... Everyone thinks about the two great days of cruising and fishing in the Islands, but rarely talk about the week prior and subsequent to the trip where you spend a fortune getting the boat ready and then repairing whatever breaks. Even 1-4 year old boats aren't exempt from that routine. I got tired of it so moved down to a 31' CC with four strokes and haven't missed it yet......
I dont get why you have to spend a week getting a SF ready before each 2 day trip and a week repairing it after each trip. Sounds like that boat is jinxed. Sure, you can have awater pump go or a hose come loose but every time you use it its a big hassle? my flybridge boats were OLD, over 20 years old, and never had problems that frequently.
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That is an under statement.
True, the sellers don't seem to like us..

We are under contract at a price down 63% from 2006 tax valuations. Appraisal was done Friday and we should see results this week, should be interesting.
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its all about the money. if you have it and can afford to own and operate one I would have it. most who are lucky enough to own one also have smaller boats too.
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First, at 52, I have really grown to appreciate hot coffee, hot food, and a place for multiple people to sleep when out on an overnight or even an extended day trip. Being in damp 40 or 50 degree weather for several hours with no place to warm up will just get into your bones.

It's not always about the money. You will never turn a profit owning a boat, no matter how small it is. Those with more money can afford more boat.

It is always about the money, because you will never be able to sustain owning a boat beyond your means.

But there are ways to reduce the burn rate and still keep a roof over your head. One engine instead of two, displacement/semi-displacement instead of planing. 20 knots instead of 40.
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