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I think you and I are in G on this...I'd love to see Merc be successful. I just don't expect it to happen. You're right on the Fichts...I would not have bought one of them straight off either, or an Optimax or HPDI Yammie, or Honda 4 stroke, etc. All will have teething problems.
One thing though, the Suzuki is a 3.6L...I think that's the biggest of the bunch right now, making it the least worked of the bunch too. And that generally equates to better longevity. That's why I feel pretty safe with the motors.
I think you are saying that you and I really agree over all and yes, I would also agree. All I was saying is that it takes a year or two for any new power to be declared reliable. I personally think that you won't have many issues out of those Suzuki's. I would probably not be scared to buy a set of the Suzuki's now if I needed them and I would have also bought the Yam F225 new (last year) as well and it has been pretty decent best I can gather....a few belt sqeak issues is all I've really heard.
I also agree on hoping we are wrong on the new Verado's. There are enough factors though that point to potential problems that I think our concerns are valid until otherwise proven wrong. I'm hoping Merc does their part to do that.
One suggestion......you need to bring that big beast up the OBX in May for the THT fishing tourney. I'd like to see that thing. It needs some real world time put on that boat in waters it was designed for. I've had my eye on them since they came out. I'm gonna try and get by the factory if they'll give me a tour.
Come down to PC and I'll happily take you for a ride. Also, I've got a bud from NC that wants to go BlueFin hunting in December, so you've got a seat then if you want.
Here you go. It's the 20, 21, 22, and 23 of May. My boat is fishing the first 3 days (weather permitting) Thur-Sat of the tourney. Course I'll be there the whole week starting the 16th.
Here is another link with more info. Should be a pretty good time. The guys here on THT that have orgainized have done a good job and have gotten some nice donations from vendors for prizes.
In most cases, there's no replacement for displacement. Notice I said most. What happened to those big, honking 3.6 and 4.0 liter OMCs making 250, 275 and 300 HP? Down the crapper they went. Give the Verado's a chance before you start bashing and making up stupid nicknames for them. If they don't work, then you can say I told you so. If they do, then it can only help all of us in the long run.
Why don't you read what others are saying...I'm not the only one who KNOWS diesels are tougher than gassers and that the very small displacement Verado with big HP will have MAJOR heat and probably poor reliability and longevity.
Why don't you read what others are saying...I'm not the only one who KNOWS diesels are tougher than gassers and that the very small displacement Verado with big HP will have MAJOR heat and probably poor reliability and longevity.
Harry
Harry's right and we all know how much we agree.
The fact that some diesels are tougher than many gas engines does not mean that a gas engine can't be built to be as reliable as a diesel.
The comment on the Verado is speculation with no supporting facts.
As a mechanical engineer, with lots of engine experience, I have to agree with Harry on the longevity and reliability of engines designed for high specific output per displacement.
Also agree on the overall strength and reliability of diesel vs gas.* Let's keep it apples-to-apples and compare inboard installations.
I put over 150K miles on a turbocharged Mazda 626GT.* 145HP from a 2.1L in-line four, compared to 115HP from the aspirated engine.* A great performer, but the required maintenance was double the normal, primarily for oil cleanliness.
Finally, the new Mercury Verado pulls 275HP from a 2.6L in-line six, while the new Yamaha F150 pulls 150HP from a 2.67L in-line four.
From an engineer's perspective, I hope Mercury is successful.* From a consumer's perspective, I hope they get what they deserve from their lawsuit..
Hey Harry, when are we going to hear something on this c120, I am interested in the performance of the radar. I am sold on the fishfinder technology.....let us know how the radar operates asap.....thanks......as far as the new Verado.......I am a little less scepticle since I read the press release on the whole deal. I will say this.....if Mercury isn't succesfull with these engines it will be the end of the company. They look very complex and that worries anyone who spends a great deal of time on the water. I believe two things: 1. Mercury will be successfull with this technology eventually. 2. I will wait a couple of years to buy one. For some reason all the R & D in the world never seems to find all the weak links in any system. Now a bunch of weekend warrior boaters.....that is another story all together. I do believe one of the major problems with R & D is this. Engineers(no offense to engineers, you guys are the reason we have most everything we use today) will take something and use it nearly daily for 2 years and when it holds up it is certified good to go. You and I buy it and use it once every 6 months, we forget to flush it, we forget to change the oil, we run crappy gas ect, ect. Then problems arise because the product is being used much differently than it was, or could ever be tested. The reality is that you can only do so much R & D and then the product has to start making money. In the case of the Verado I think Mercury has done all it can to properly R & D this system. Do I think they found all the problems....nope....just the majority of em'. You and I will find the rest and that is just the way it is and will always be with most new products of any type. I congratulate Mercury on starting with a clean slate and thinking out of the box on this whole deal....TBG
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Hey Harry, when are we going to hear something on this c120, I am interested in the performance of the radar. I am sold on the fishfinder technology.....let us know how the radar operates asap.....thanks......as far as the new Verado.......I am a little less scepticle since I read the press release on the whole deal. I will say this.....if Mercury isn't succesfull with these engines it will be the end of the company. They look very complex and that worries anyone who spends a great deal of time on the water.
Really not anymore complex than a new Yanmar Diesel. Perhaps simpler.
RE: Mercury Verado.......run Forest, run........ 
. You are welcome to a seat on the Contender if you want as well....even for the OBX tourney.
