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Old 03-22-2010, 09:44 PM
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And I am not familiar with the different grades of stainless steel. I do know that some are better than others but I don't know what the numbers really mean. Maybe someone that knows can give me a brief explanation.

Now, the grade of metal and price aside. I would be worried about the bolt getting corroded in or over tightened then busting those pins off trying to remove it and being in the same position as the thief.
304 and 316 are the most common (chromium nickel alloy) stainless steel available.

304 is the stuff you see on everything else stainless (IMHO china stainless). As long as you properly rinse it everytime and it will be fine. If it is not maintained well - it will start to rust/pit. Just like cheap cleats where you see a rust drain line.

316 is the good stuff (surgical steel stuff / marine grade stainless). Even if you ignore it. No rusting. This will not corrode and generally will not get stuck. Draw back is much more $$$.



The concept/design is awesome (just like automobile wheel lock).
For the 304 stuff. $29.99 is a generous buy.
For what they are asking $139.99. It should be no less than 316.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:00 PM
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I agree that 200 is high especially considering you can get a whole new SEI lower unit for 800. Granted if you do have one stolen it will ruin a trip and your day.

I guess there must have been other damage because 12k for 2 lowers and props sounds out of wack.

Still good to see someone in the US bringing new products to the market. However, the price reflects why so much stuff is imported. It is expensive to produce stuff here in the US.
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I think this may be too easy to defeat 1) Stick a drill bit or drift punch in each of two pin holes and use a pry bar between them to turn the bolt 2) With a cut-off wheel or Dremel, slice a slot into it, and use a HD screwdriver with vise grips to loosen it. For it to work, you are hoping the thief does not have those tools in his bag. It seems to me it would be about as equally effective to replace the stock fasteners with torx or hex head fasteners, again hoping the thief is not prepared for that and moves on.

That said, I would probably spring for one if I lived in a high theft area. I agree they should be made of 316 alloy.
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how about using a spanner wrench like is used to remove/install the cap seals on your trim/tilt cylinders - adjustable spread with the pins that would drop into the holes. I imagine it would be easy to remove with one, but not sure how many crooks would have one handy.
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I think its safe to say that if the thief wants it he will get it. In most cases the crook doesn't show up blind to steal your lower unit. He has most likely been there to case out the situation on a prior occasion so chances are good that he will be prepared.

And if he did show up blind he knows he can probably return with the proper tools as most people leave their boats unattended for days, weeks and even months at a time. And I think that is what makes boats so vulnerable to theft. They know the owner will likely not notice anything missing until the weekend at the earliest.
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Anti theft device? Hell, their pricing is theft. LOL
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I think its safe to say that if the thief wants it he will get it. In most cases the crook doesn't show up blind to steal your lower unit. He has most likely been there to case out the situation on a prior occasion so chances are good that he will be prepared.

And if he did show up blind he knows he can probably return with the proper tools as most people leave their boats unattended for days, weeks and even months at a time. And I think that is what makes boats so vulnerable to theft. They know the owner will likely not notice anything missing until the weekend at the earliest.
My lower units and cowlings were stolen, amongst others, at a reputable boat dealer/maintenace facility when I first got the boat. They cut the chain link fence and although there was really questionable security, the owner said it had not happened before. I took a hit cuz I had a very high deductible, since at the time I had two boats. If you think you could get a quality lower unit with propeller for a 250 Yamaha for $800, I'd like to know who, but would still question the quality of the part. I appreciate the reasonable responses on here, but please keep it real. For those of you that do not live in the S. Florida, Keys or Bahamas -- You need to realize that not only is theft out of control in these parts, but so is boat insurance! They go hand in hand, i'm not sure if this will qualify for a discount. The average thief knows what he wants, knows when is the best time, and he comes semi prepared. Assuming those details--any thing that slows or deters the efficiency of his plans, means he will go elsewhere and means a victory for you. I have GPS trackers, bootlocks, engine locking bolts, case hardened chains, surveilance cameras, and some other secrets. If this one helps me further deter the bad guys or gives me extra time to get to my shotgun - Im good. Anyone know of anything else to lockup the lowers?
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:44 PM
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I was very interested in the comments and concerns that you all voiced about The Watchman. My goal is provide the best quality product for a reasonable price. These are not mass produced items imported from overseas but hand crafted by American workers.

I would like to address your concern on the 304 Stainless -
While the 304 Stainless Steel is not indestructable from the salt water enviroment, the bolts that I replaced on my Yamaha were steel. If owners are following the mfgs recommended preventative maintenance program, they are dropping their lower unit every year to inspect the water pump impeller. The Watchman is also, packaged with a marine lubricant with instructions to grease the bolt prior to installation to prevent seizing. I am currently looking into utilizing 316 Stainless Steel - like I stated, my goal is to provide a quality product.

I appreciate all of your comments and invite any product suggestion to improve the The Watchman American made system.
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Just the lower is 800 with a 3 year warranty from SEI (google it). A yamaha prop will be another 500 or so on top of that. Still getting ready to go out for a day of fishing and having to abort due to the scum of the earth is terrible.
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Does anybody actually have one of these products on their motors? Are you happy with it?
I would be interested in feedback from actual users. Thanks.
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