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Old 03-11-2010, 11:54 AM
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Is anybody on here an ABYC member that would have access to the standards below? Thanks in advance.

ABYC A-31: Battery Chargers and Inverters
(Material previously covered separately in A-20 / A-25)

ABYC E-2: Cathodic Protection

ABYC TE-4: Lightning Protection Technical Report (Formerly E-4)

ABYC E-10: Storage Batteries

ABYC E-11: AC & DC Electrical Systems on Boats
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Raymarine requires knowledge of these specifications for their certification testing. I'd really rather not join ABYC just to have access to these.
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Raymarine requires knowledge of these specifications for their certification testing. I'd really rather not join ABYC just to have access to these.
Join the NMEA and take the Basic MEI course. I dont think anyone would let you borrow their ABYC standards, they are quite expsensive.
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Raymarine requires knowledge of these specifications for their certification testing. I'd really rather not join ABYC just to have access to these.
The membership cost is $275.

Your certification testing cannot afford that expense?
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The membership cost is $275.

Your certification testing cannot afford that expense?
If we can get 275 members to each contribute one dollar, we can get the standards and post them on the Internet so everyone else can have them for free!

Oh wait. That's probably unethical if not illegal.
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Oh wait. That's probably unethical if not illegal.
They may take offense to that...
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Is anybody on here an ABYC member that would have access to the standards below? Thanks in advance.

ABYC A-31: Battery Chargers and Inverters
(Material previously covered separately in A-20 / A-25)

ABYC E-2: Cathodic Protection

ABYC TE-4: Lightning Protection Technical Report (Formerly E-4)

ABYC E-10: Storage Batteries

ABYC E-11: AC & DC Electrical Systems on Boats
I think your question goe's more to some one who is certified ABYC more so than "member".
My company meets ABYC, NMMA and LOYDS OF LONDON standards and spec.
An ABYC certified person is someone who knows his or her suff. It's a very difficult certification to obtain. Very difficult.
One doe's not pay "dues" for the certification. It's earned thru alot of hard work and knowledge.
We have on staff one particular ABYC certified man that I've known well over thirty five years. All the time I go to him for his advice and opinions. He earned that certification with well over forty five years of experiance.
An ABYC certification is, to me, to be respected.
Someone who has truly earned his or her stripes.
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I think your question goe's more to some one who is certified ABYC more so than "member".
My company meets ABYC, NMMA and LOYDS OF LONDON standards and spec.
An ABYC certified person is someone who knows his or her suff. It's a very difficult certification to obtain. Very difficult.
One doe's not pay "dues" for the certification. It's earned thru alot of hard work and knowledge.
We have on staff one particular ABYC certified man that I've known well over thirty five years. All the time I go to him for his advice and opinions. He earned that certification with well over forty five years of experiance.
An ABYC certification is, to me, to be respected.
Someone who has truly earned his or her stripes.
I think he wants to read or study the code.

In the electrical field you can buy two books. One is the electrical code and the other is more or less the "electrical code for dummies". Actually it the electrical code translated for working electricians.

Your point is correct, you can't claim to know it all from reading the book a couple times. It can be difficult just to know what the terms mean.
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I think he wants to read or study the code.

In the electrical field you can buy two books. One is the electrical code and the other is more or less the "electrical code for dummies". Actually it the electrical code translated for working electricians.

Your point is correct, you can't claim to know it all from reading the book a couple times. It can be difficult just to know what the terms mean.
As my understanding goe's, the certifications are in catagories. Lamination, electrical, so on.
We conform, thus we have the info on hand, but it would seem to me he could referance on the web. I'm still in the dark ages as to computers, thus cant point him in a direction.
Hopefully someone like RELENTLESS PURSUIT who is ABYC certified, I think lam, will see his post and point him.
It's good that he wants the info.
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If we can get 275 members to each contribute one dollar, we can get the standards and post them on the Internet so everyone else can have them for free!

Oh wait. That's probably unethical if not illegal.
I will bet that many will be selling those standards to make ends meet.What is it a secret organization? Or is it there to make money as a private enterprise? If so, good !!just dont require it.
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I will bet that many will be selling those standards to make ends meet.What is it a secret organization? Or is it there to make money as a private enterprise? If so, good !!just dont require it.
Actually the people who have the certifications, are quite good.
The testing to achieve the certifications are very tough.
The guy who works for us that I referanced was raised in a very large boat dealership. He was never sales, always a wrench and glass man. Probobly 45 years or more hands on, and very good, extremely good.
He runs our Customer Service at DONZI, and carries alot of certifications, many, in many catagories. One he holds he is, I believe, one of about one hundred and fifty world wide that has the certification. A very-very sharp guy. An "Old Gentleman" like me, but that's ok. We're still useful on occasion.
He admitted that the ABYC certification was the most difficult to achieve.
I'll use myself as an example in that beginning in the early sixties my learning began, and remained for a long time, seat of the pants, bruised knuckles, sticky foot, learning. That dosen't do it anymore. There's not a day, not a single day of my life that I'm not asking questions and learning something new. I have an advantage in that I'm surrounded by people that I can take my questions to. They hate to see me comming though, I drive them crazy.
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As my understanding goe's, the certifications are in catagories. Lamination, electrical, so on.
We conform, thus we have the info on hand, but it would seem to me he could referance on the web. I'm still in the dark ages as to computers, thus cant point him in a direction.
Hopefully someone like RELENTLESS PURSUIT who is ABYC certified, I think lam, will see his post and point him.
It's good that he wants the info.
My guess is it's copywrited, that's why they sell it rather than posting it for free on a website.

That's why I made the comment above about us each paying $1.00.
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My guess is it's copywrited, that's why they sell it rather than posting it for free on a website.

That's why I made the comment above about us each paying $1.00.
That's ok.
I think I know who the OP is. I think so, but not positive.
If he is who I think he is, we'll help him with his answer by phone.
Fact of the matter is, he's doing the right thing.
He wants to have good information.
There's alot to be said for that.
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I will bet that many will be selling those standards to make ends meet.What is it a secret organization? Or is it there to make money as a private enterprise? If so, good !!just dont require it.

It's not a secret society by any stretch. Anyone in the marine industry join by paying dues to the organization. ABYC is set up to promote and provide information that will increase the quality and safety of boats. The standards are written to provide designers, builders, and technicians with up to date information on boat building practices and procedures. The money they collect offsets the cost of the products they produce, the standards. I believe it's set up as a non profit educational entity.

The OP wants to borrow or get copies of the standards to pass some sort of RayMarine test so he can make money. He stated that he didn't want to join the ABYC just to get the standards. I bet the ABYC doesn't want him to use their intellectual property for free. I think he should bite the bullet and join to get the standards. It's a business expense and a tool, just like a multimeter or a screwdriver.
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Easy guys.... Not looking to sell secrets or even get certified to ABYC (yet). I'm just looking to know, understand, and apply the electrical codes for marine electronics installations. My understanding was that the codes were much more costly than the $275 quoted above. If that's the case, I'd rather pay for them and have them around permanently. I assume that would also keep one privy to changes, which I would like to have as well. Thanks everyone.
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.....................The money they collect offsets the cost of the products they produce, the standards. I believe it's set up as a non profit educational entity.

The OP wants to borrow or get copies of the standards to pass some sort of RayMarine test so he can make money. He stated that he didn't want to join the ABYC just to get the standards. I bet the ABYC doesn't want him to use their intellectual property for free. I think he should bite the bullet and join to get the standards. It's a business expense and a tool, just like a multimeter or a screwdriver.
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It's not a secret society by any stretch. Anyone in the marine industry join by paying dues to the organization. ABYC is set up to promote and provide information that will increase the quality and safety of boats. The standards are written to provide designers, builders, and technicians with up to date information on boat building practices and procedures. The money they collect offsets the cost of the products they produce, the standards. I believe it's set up as a non profit educational entity.

The OP wants to borrow or get copies of the standards to pass some sort of RayMarine test so he can make money. He stated that he didn't want to join the ABYC just to get the standards. I bet the ABYC doesn't want him to use their intellectual property for free. I think he should bite the bullet and join to get the standards. It's a business expense and a tool, just like a multimeter or a screwdriver.
I know two "Jeffs" in Port Clinton.
I thought he was one of them.
My thinking was he had a service issue and wanted good information, which, I'd be happy to help him with because I think, thought, I knew him.
Whatever the case, I congratulate him for wanting good advice.
As you well know, there are those who "know better", or "know more", or perhaps just dont care. Also the "I've been doing this for........." folks who know more than anyone doe's.
Member, non member, whatever, I think it's very good that he's seeking out good information and trying to find out how to do so.
Having said all of that, yes, he should go the extra step if this is how he's making his living.
I still dont fault him for trying though.
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If you want to install electronics start at the NMEA, the work into the ABYC standards. I did the ABYC certification first and it made the basic NMEA installers course look like childs play.
While the electrical Cert. is great to have the testing is quite difficult. the NMEA basic and advanced are one day crash courses, and the basic MEI meets Raymarine (and others) requirment to certify installations an provide warranty repairs.
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Not totting my horn, but I had the ABYC Marine electrical certification. It had to let it expire and if I wanted to re-new I would have to go back and take the week class and get re-certified. 100% my fault.....but there are only so many hours in the day. I love going to service schools. learning new stuff.

There classes are well worth it for anyone of you wondering about it. If you are in the marine business, support the ABYC.........its worth the membership.
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