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Old 02-12-2010, 12:34 PM
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Does anyone have any info on how to prevent / repair problem will stress cracks that may cause water to seep into the hull. Problem seems to be common among twin vee owners. I am thinking about purchasing a 20' 2004 model. Like the boat if I can overcome the problems.
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Americat can tell you what to do. Call Dave. http://Ameracat.com They have helped other fix theirs.
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Don't know but I have read that Twin Vee is reopening.
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Yeah TV and SeaCat merged i think....not sure if they will warranty old hulls, but its worth a shot.
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probably not a warranty I was just thinking they might know how to do the repair
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I had a 19 and a 26 twin vee and didn't have any stress cracks...the 20ft is really an odd duck...twin 60's....pretty slow....haven't heard of any problem with that hull...a used caracal 18.5 should compare pretty well in ride and space, better built and way faster with a single
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Many of the TVs did not have an adequate laminate schedule. (not enough layers of cloth and resin)The result was a flimsy hull. The fix (?) was to fill the hulls with high density foam and brag about the "unsinkable" qualities of the boat. The result was a hull that would develop stress cracks and allow water to penetrate thru the hull and saturate the foam. An easy way to check without cutting into the deck is to have the boat weighed at a local truck stop, provided you know the advertised bare hull weight, weight of motor and accessories and trailer.

If the boat is heavy, a proper repair is probably too expensive.

Americat is owned and operated by the same folks that brought you the above problem. New name, slightly modified hull, price increase and fully foamed hull.
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If that 20ft Outrageous checks out, its an amazing vessel and best boat Twin Vee ever made IMO. Perfect balance of room, economy and speed with awesome sea-handling capability.
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Many of the TVs did not have an adequate laminate schedule. (not enough layers of cloth and resin)The result was a flimsy hull. The fix (?) was to fill the hulls with high density foam and brag about the "unsinkable" qualities of the boat. The result was a hull that would develop stress cracks and allow water to penetrate thru the hull and saturate the foam. An easy way to check without cutting into the deck is to have the boat weighed at a local truck stop, provided you know the advertised bare hull weight, weight of motor and accessories and trailer.

If the boat is heavy, a proper repair is probably too expensive.

Americat is owned and operated by the same folks that brought you the above problem. New name, slightly modified hull, price increase and fully foamed hull.
You are saying that Roger Dunshee owns Ameracat?

Dave East designed both hulls but I do not know if he is involved with production.

They are cheaper than the 26's.
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Many of the TVs did not have an adequAate laminate schedule. (not enough layers of cloth and resin)The result was a flimsy hull. The fix (?) was to fill the hulls with high density foam and brag about the "unsinkable" qualities of the boat. The result was a hull that would develop stress cracks and allow water to penetrate thru the hull and saturate the foam. An easy way to check without cutting into the deck is to have the boat weighed at a local truck stop, provided you know the advertised bare hull weight, weight of motor and accessories and trailer.

If the boat is heavy, a proper repair is probably too expensive.

Americat is owned and operated by the same folks that brought you the above problem. New name, slightly modified hull, price increase and fully foamed hull.

Americat is not owned and operated by the same folks at all. You are uninformed.Twin Vee is open and running with its founder.He is not honoring old warranties and still running the company the same way. All wood coring and poor customer service.

Americat is owned mostly by non Twin Vee employees and very small percent by an old Twin Vee employee.Dave had no control on changing the things that were wrong with the hulls until he left and designed his own series of Cat boats.Don't start rumors that you know nothing about.
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Americat is not owned and operated by the same folks at all. You are uninformed.Twin Vee is open and running with its founder.He is not honoring old warranties and still running the company the same way. All wood coring and poor customer service.

Americat is owned mostly by non Twin Vee employees and very small percent by an old Twin Vee employee.Dave had no control on changing the things that were wrong with the hulls until he left and designed his own series of Cat boats.Don't start rumors that you know nothing about.
http://www.twinveeboats.com/news140.htm

The president of the company had no control on changing things that were wrong????????

You may want to check your facts.
And by the way the transoms are cored with coosa in the current poduction twin vees.

Maybe the Ameracat fan club should worry more about the Amercat fuel system issues and less about Twin Vee.
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You are saying that Roger Dunshee owns Ameracat?

Dave East designed both hulls but I do not know if he is involved with production.

They are cheaper than the 26's.

Roger has no involvment with Ameracat.
Roger designed the Twin Vee 26'
If you call taking a Twin Vee 26' and raising the gunnels and calling it an Ameracat 27' then Dave East designed the Ameracat.
Check the current prices.
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Maybe the Ameracat fan club should worry more about the Amercat fuel system issues and less about Twin Vee.
And what issues would those be?
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http://www.twinveeboats.com/news140.htm

The president of the company had no control on changing things that were wrong????????

You may want to check your facts.
And by the way the transoms are cored with coosa in the current poduction twin vees.

Maybe the Ameracat fan club should worry more about the Amercat fuel system issues and less about Twin Vee.
You must be Twin Vee's community relations department. Tell them to take care of their warranties.I had a boat built by them that was a 2009 POS. The floors are wood along with most of the consoles.

Americat has no issues..lol. I only mentioned Americat on this thread because they are helping TV customers and are a viable place for them to bring their boats.I wouldn't send my enemy to TV to get their boat fixed.They have fixed many.
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Roger has no involvment with Ameracat.
Roger designed the Twin Vee 26'
If you call taking a Twin Vee 26' and raising the gunnels and calling it an Ameracat 27' then Dave East designed the Ameracat.
Check the current prices.
Roger hasn't designed a boat in his life. He just copies them.He should be ashamed for not taking care of his customers. I backed them till he declined customers warranty work.I begged this board to give him a chance. I took serious heat from this board for them.He is pure dirt.Hard working people needed his help and he has his hand out.

Here is the thread I put my neck out for them. My attitude changed after talking with Roger.

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The president of the company had no control on changing things that were wrong????????

You may want to check your facts.
And by the way the transoms are cored with coosa in the current poduction twin vees.
I'm no expert on corporate structure, but I'm sure the president of any corp can't just do anything he wants without first getting the blessing of the board of directors (or at least he better be able to defend any costly endeavor that was not approved, if he wants to keep his job, that is).

I can't understand why, with the avail. and minimal cost increase (and benefit of weighing less) that TV would continue to build their floor, console and bulkheads out of plywood. Maybe Don will change that, as the seacats that he was building in Titusville were/are wood free.

One interesting thing I read on the TV website, is that they are building a seacat 22 "sport cabin". Don came to my house and took a pic of my boat last fall...........I wondered what that was about...........I wonder if they are going to build some seacats with a similar small pilothouse like mine. Anyone seen a pic of this "sport cabin"?
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I'm no expert on corporate structure, but I'm sure the president of any corp can't just do anything he wants without first getting the blessing of the board of directors (or at least he better be able to defend any costly endeavor that was not approved, if he wants to keep his job, that is).

I can't understand why, with the avail. and minimal cost increase (and benefit of weighing less) that TV would continue to build their floor, console and bulkheads out of plywood. Maybe Don will change that, as the seacats that he was building in Titusville were/are wood free.

One interesting thing I read on the TV website, is that they are building a seacat 22 "sport cabin". Don came to my house and took a pic of my boat last fall...........I wondered what that was about...........I wonder if they are going to build some seacats with a similar small pilothouse like mine. Anyone seen a pic of this "sport cabin"?
I believe a 4x8" piece of Marine CDX costs around $12.

Coosa or airex is over $120.

Are you saying that you think Don Fielder and Dunshee are now partners?

Fielder is an excellent builder with a spotless rep, IMO.
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So the price diff would be, ballpark, 1k to make it wood free? That's a no brainer for me. I'd pay 1k extra for wood free, plus the weight advantage of the synthetic airex.

Nope, I dont know what the relationship is there with RD and DF......I suppose Don's only an employee, but he's got alot of knowledge to offer,...... if it will be used to better TV, that's another question. One can only hope that it will.

My talk of corp structure was in reference to whether Dave East, as pres of TV, was able to single handedly decide how TVs were being built, as the poster mm was suggesting...........Like I said, I dont know, but I doubt that he was given free reign. It would be a diff story if he had been owner, without a board.......then it's a one man show and you can pin any bad actions of the company (not honoring warranties, etc.) on the owner. It becomes alot more hazy when it's a corp. That's one bad thing about buying from a large corporation........much harder to find someone to hold responsible for quality of the product.
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So the price diff would be, ballpark, 1k to make it wood free? That's a no brainer for me. I'd pay 1k extra for wood free, plus the weight advantage of the synthetic airex.

Nope, I dont know what the relationship is there with RD and DF......I suppose Don's only an employee, but he's got alot of knowledge to offer,...... if it will be used to better TV, that's another question. One can only hope that it will.

My talk of corp structure was in reference to whether Dave East, as pres of TV, was able to single handedly decide how TVs were being built, as the poster mm was suggesting...........Like I said, I dont know, but I doubt that he was given free reign. It would be a diff story if he had been owner, without a board.......then it's a one man show and you can pin any bad actions of the company (not honoring warranties, etc.) on the owner. It becomes alot more hazy when it's a corp. That's one bad thing about buying from a large corporation........much harder to find someone to hold responsible for quality of the product.

I agree with you about the benefits of a lighter hull, especially with a cat. I really don't know how formal the employee organization structure is, but day to day production attention did get out of control at TV, and it "sounds" like East is actively participating in Amercats production as he has been kind enough to chime in here lately.

Hard to infer what's going on, but it almost sounds like Dunshee wants to stay retired, and I believe that Mr Fidler might also be looking to retire too.

Makes me wonder if the TV facility might eventually be used to produce the TV, Ameracat, and Seacat one day, just like WC and GB's now being produced under the same roof to trim fixed costs and retain experienced crews.
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PORTER J....has no clue...just blowing smoke..LOL...about using wood in boats....didn't they use to make boats completely out of wood?
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