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Old 02-10-2010, 06:46 PM
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Default How to flip my boat for painting?

I have a 17 ft woody that needs to completely stripped and repainted. What is the best method for flipping it (motor off) for hull service?

I have found little and varied info on this subject on the internet so far. My best guess as of now would be to build a wood "cage" around it, flip it with help of friends and/or farm jack, and remove hull side of cage to access the hull after its flipped.

Any other tried methods??
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Can you lift from overhead? Rafters/engine lift/tractor/excavator???

Kind of a crude drawing but your boat will flip for sure if you pick from the bow and one side of the transom.
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I could possibly rig up something for that, and use a come-along. My worries are if my transom hooks and trailering hook is strong enough for this on a 40 yr old boat... I know my cleats are definitely not strong enough.
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What you are doing is the reverse of building a boat. It is done all the time. Check out www.fishyfish.com and look at how builders of Tolman skiffs did this. You don't need any ropes, pulleys, etc.

It is relatively easy. Put some bracing across the gunwales to give some structure to the sides. Invite a few friends over for beer and pizza, letting them know you need their muscles for 5 minutes. Get some old tires and lay them on the ground to prevent mucking up the sides of the boat.

Have your friends lift up on the side of the boat, roll it over onto the tires, and continue the roll until it is upside down. Then enjoy your beer and pizza. For a 17' wooden boat, you should only need 5 or 6 people to do this. Let them know you'll want to reverse the process in a few weeks when you get done working on the boat. Trust me, you'll have fun doing this.

After flipping, block it up with cinder blocks or other supports at the transom, sides, and bow so that it doesn't move around when you are working on it.

I suggest a graphite/epoxy mixture for the bottom unless the boat will live in the water. It makes a tough, slick surface that is UV resistant. Many wooden boat builders us this.

Here's a shot at us flipping my Tolman 25' Jumbo in my garage, we had ~20 people and no one had to lift more than 30 lbs.
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What you are doing is the reverse of building a boat. It is done all the time. Check out www.fishyfish.com and look at how builders of Tolman skiffs did this. You don't need any ropes, pulleys, etc.

It is relatively easy. Put some bracing across the gunwales to give some structure to the sides. Invite a few friends over for beer and pizza, letting them know you need their muscles for 5 minutes. Get some old tires and lay them on the ground to prevent mucking up the sides of the boat.

Have your friends lift up on the side of the boat, roll it over onto the tires, and continue the roll until it is upside down. Then enjoy your beer and pizza. For a 17' wooden boat, you should only need 5 or 6 people to do this. Let them know you'll want to reverse the process in a few weeks when you get done working on the boat. Trust me, you'll have fun doing this.

After flipping, block it up with cinder blocks or other supports at the transom, sides, and bow so that it doesn't move around when you are working on it.

I suggest a graphite/epoxy mixture for the bottom unless the boat will live in the water. It makes a tough, slick surface that is UV resistant. Many wooden boat builders us this.

Here's a shot at us flipping my Tolman 25' Jumbo in my garage, we had ~20 people and no one had to lift more than 30 lbs.

This idea is MUCH safer than flipping with ropes and stuff

However, I haven't had that many freinds in my whole life combined!

And that guy would need to pull up his pants if he's going to work for me
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Although it looks good, Mike's idea won't work very well. The problem is you'll get it up on one side but then you'll have a hard time getting it the rest of the way over. The majority of the weight is in the bottom of the boat and the stern eye is towards the top. You'd have to pull almost the entire weight of the boat way past center to get it the rest of the way over.

Rolling it is a time honored tradition. Just make sure that the hull structure is solid and up to the task. Being old and wooden, it may have some rot that wouldn't support the weight.
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Recently helped with flipping a whaler after having it's bottom gelcoated. They layed some flex ac duct on the floor (about 16" dia) in a zig zag shape on the floor. Five of us rolled it off of the trailer on to the ducts, then slid it on a trailer.


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Wouldn't it be easier to "tip" it to one side and then the other and do 1 side at a time???
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Thanks Pfithian,

Rolling is probably the route I will be taking then. I think Ill have to throw a "football" party next fall when I start doing this work! haha.

In your comment about epoxy/graphite, were you referring to a sealant or bottom paint i should use??
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No, straight epoxy with 20% graphite powder mixed in. Do some searches on some other forums, like www.fishyfish.com.

Get it here: www.epoxyproducts.com
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