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Old 02-09-2010, 07:16 AM
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What I have a "hard on" for is unacceptable work practices! Paying top dollar for an inferior product is crap. Period.


One boat is a mistake. Multiple or every boat is "unacceptable work practices"

"unacceptable work practices" and Carolina Classic used in the same sentence is not accurate or correct. Your "hard on" is showing.
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" Your "hard on" is showing.

You want to come and help me resolve that problem?

(It's an F'in shame that this thread has come down to this)
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I don't understand this sentence. Are you saying you spoke to Mac and he would like to know about this situation? Then you say "if he does, I am sure he has taken steps" which doesn't make sense vs what the first part of the sentence said.

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I did not spead to Mac personally about this.
What I am saying is this happened last year. I would hope that either the owner of the boat or the dealership called CC and informed them of the situation. My experience with CC dictates that if Mac was informed and it did happen at the factory, he would have taken steps to ensure it will never happen again. Part of quality control.....if errors are made, look into the root cause and take measures to prevent it from occurring again.
Sorry for the lack of clarity in my original post---I hope this answers your question.
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Isn't it pretty obvious (well, I guess apparently not to everybody) that W. means "knowing the guy like I do, and the type of guy he is and the type of business he runs, he would want to know about this?"
Well when you put it like that then yes it is! Thanks.
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Sorry for the lack of clarity in my original post---I hope this answers your question.
Yes thank you. I was watching Fox News at the same time so possibly didn't read it as clearly as I could have.
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Sorry but thousands of people work on thousands of boats and the exhaust hoses arent falling off. The whole deal was handled horribly by the dealer. The boat almost sank, people almost died and all they did was hang it up there the same way it was. What does that say about how much the dealer cares that its customers almost died! As to the factory, sure its only one failure in hundreds of boats, but the failure was due to carelessness. I can understand if a worker puts something together and thinks its done right but how can you put a hose on that you cant clamp safely? Its piss poor construction and it brings down the efforts of fellow workers.
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You want to come and help me resolve that problem?

(It's an F'in shame that this thread has come down to this)

You may like a man to help you.......I personally am straight and prefer woman, but to each his own. I will not hold your sexual preferences against you. And because your problem has lasted more than 4 hours you should call a doctor. If your lucky he's a man.....
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Sounds like a little bashing of CC to me. They build one of the most quality and sturdy boats out there. Any time you want service from them just call the factory and Mac or keith will talk to you

As far as Carolina Classic engines hydrolocking that's a bunch of bull. Just about all of the big block V8's out there had the problem. Carolina Classic uses a water lift muffler and now only Crusader 8.1L V8s for their gas powered boats now. Crusader has a patented manifold system that has eliminated the problem. The other manufactures were way behind the curve and are slowly catching up. Almost any of the 7.4L and 8.1L engines used other than Crusaders had a problem due to cam over lap causing drawback of seawater into the manifolds and also moisture getting to the valves causing rust on the valve stems. Stopping the engines suddenly can also result in the same problem. I personally flush my freshwater cooled Crusader 8.1L engine saltwater side every time I come into the dock

A lot of the problem goes back to the nut behind the wheel. A little care in operation and even the older big blocks wouldn't have had the problem. There are a lot of the 7.4L engines still running fine.
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There must be safety inspections of hoses on all boats, including new boats.

The smooth walls of exhaust tubes makes this inspection more critical than w/ hose barb fittings.

On my boat I've placed markings so I know the end of the tube location after it is covered w/ the hose to aid the inspection.

Mine are inspected for hose / tube position and clamp torque.
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Sounds like a little bashing of CC to me. They build one of the most quality and sturdy boats out there. Any time you want service from them just call the factory and Mac or keith will talk to you

As far as Carolina Classic engines hydrolocking that's a bunch of bull. Just about all of the big block V8's out there had the problem. Carolina Classic uses a water lift muffler and now only Crusader 8.1L V8s for their gas powered boats now. Crusader has a patented manifold system that has eliminated the problem. The other manufactures were way behind the curve and are slowly catching up. Almost any of the 7.4L and 8.1L engines used other than Crusaders had a problem due to cam over lap causing drawback of seawater into the manifolds and also moisture getting to the valves causing rust on the valve stems. Stopping the engines suddenly can also result in the same problem. I personally flush my freshwater cooled Crusader 8.1L engine saltwater side every time I come into the dock

A lot of the problem goes back to the nut behind the wheel. A little care in operation and even the older big blocks wouldn't have had the problem. There are a lot of the 7.L engines still running fine.

So then how would you explain a non overloaded boat with the exhaust elbow dislodged basically backfilling and sinking the boat with seawater if there is no defect? Am I missing something? Remember this all happened in a matter of a minute or two at full cruise not an hour drifting slowly taking on water!
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As far as Carolina Classic engines hydrolocking that's a bunch of bull. Just about all of the big block V8's out there had the problem. Carolina Classic uses a water lift muffler and now only Crusader 8.1L V8s for their gas powered boats now.
The engine hydrolocking issue was a Mercruiser issue that was a big problem for Sea Ray, Carver, Silverton and Four Winns too. It had nothing to do with Carolina Classic or the install in the CC25, it was just a piss-poor riser design by Mercruiser, and once MAC & Kieth learned of the problem, they stopped offering other options besides the Crusader 8.1 as the inboard gas engine option.
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Wher did you get this!??? I'm stealing it!
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Can I assume, from the discussion, that it was a similar issue that sank the new CC on its delivery cruise where the Neuse meets Adams Creek? Happened late fall a few years ago. Captain and mate were warm water folks from Florida as I recall.
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I know this is an old thread, but it occurred to me as I re-read it that this engine is almost certainly compromised by salt water ingestion on two fronts.

First, it probably sucked some down through the air intake. Secondly, if water was back filling through the exhaust, it probably drank some down the exhaust tube as it was being wrestled back on (when the guy burned his arm).

Yanmars are particularly intolerant of salt water down the throat or up the exhaust. Your friend probably wants to have someone break down the turbo and look for corrosion.

Either way, if it took in water, expect an early demise. This should have ben an insurance claim the minute it was tied back at the dock. It sounds like the dealer did as little as possible and just kicked the can down the road. They will probably get to sell a new engine and install this year or next.
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