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How many sunk brand new boats and how many deaths would it take to impress you?
Are you really LOL?????? That in itself is a tradgedy!
If you only knew how many new Chris Crafts, Fountains, Donzis, Centurys, Hydra-Sports, and a bunch of other boats we used to sell came from the factory actually leaking water you would "lol" All manufactures have some assembly problems........ Your thread title implies problems in CC to be common....far from the truth.
I also think high water alarms on this brand/level of boat SHOULD for sure have high water alarms standard. Mine does not at this time but they are on order right now. Maybe the same guy put my boat together.....
Wow - Really didn't want this information to get out of hand. After the initial separation of the exhaust hose from the elbow I replaced the double hose clamps with the bolt on type. I was unable to get the hose completely onto the elbow so even the bolt on clamp failed to hold. It was only after the 2nd try that I sought help from the Dealer. I believe the dealer took care of the problem by heating the hose and muscling it back fully into place. They used the single clamp I provided. Haven't had an issue since and have put another 250 hours on since this occured.
It was scary and did want to let others know about the issue. When the hose separates the bildge fills very quickly. The high water alarm will sound and the bilge lights go on but by then you are already in trouble and don't have much time. It taught me a lesson and now routinely check all connections on a regular basis. My feeling is "its a boat and sh...t happens". Carolina Classic and the dealer are fantatic and don't owe me a thing. They built a quality boat & the service from their NJ Dealer Garden State has been the best!
Right Bite- 09 25CC Straight 315 Yanmar
__________________ Right Bite 25 Carolina Classic 315 Yanmar
Exhaust should be double clamped according to the code. The dealer should have fixed it properly by getting more hose for more clamping surface. If it doesnt fit you dont just half-ass it, esp after having it break loose offshore. Pretty pathetic service if you ask me and I used to work on yanmars at a gold star dealer. They should also clean out your bilge including a full engine detailing.
__________________ Top Gun 1992 Donzi 22 Classic 454 King Cobra
Slightly OT, but not too much...
If you have an MFD with video input- put a $150 infrared cam in the bilge.
When running, I always have one of the displays with a 1/2 screen image of the engine room.
Nearly blowing up one of my CATS prompted to do it- if you already have the display it's too cheap to not do it. And I never have to wonder what's going on in the ER...
In this case, the OP would have certainly noticed that exhaust water blowing all over the ER.
If you have an MFD with video input- put a $150 infrared cam in the bilge. When running, I always have one of the displays with a 1/2 screen image of the engine room.
Why the post now it happened last year whats the motivation to post now? Also there is a light on the dash that shows the bilge pump running didn't the capt see it?
I have not seen or spoke to the gentleman in several months. I ran into him at the Canyon Runner Seminar and he showed me his scars...........
My only motivation is to educate someone else to prevent an accident. Personally I believe Carolina Classic should have been made aware of the situation but that is not my call.
Every brand has its issues but we are talking about a very top notch brand that carries a very top notch price tag shouldn't we expect very top notch quality control?
We are not talking about a Rinker or Seafox or God forbid a Luhrs? I think most of us would expect to hear something like this from Luhrs?
The bottom line is it seems these days even when you pay top dollar for a high end product all you get are excuses and "don't worry we can fix that under warranty, or just do a software update that should fix it!"
Are you guy's telling me that my 1991 Blackfin has high water alarms and bilge pump lights, but a 2009 CC doesn't have either Wow, then what are you paying 100k-400k for, CC can't budget them in for that price
As a former owner of a CC28, I am very familiar with the quality and integrity of the product the Privott's make. I met Mac and Keith when I toured the factory during the build of my 28. This particular situation could have been the result of a mistake that was made at the factory, or at the dealership. Mac would like to know about this....and if he does, I am sure he has taken steps to assure it would never happen again if it did in fact happen at the factory. If this happened to a boat I owned, I'd be calling both the factory and the dealership....if for no reason other to prevent it from happening to someone else.
I'm sorry for the injury the owner suffered, and am glad it had a happy ending.
Mac would like to know about this....and if he does, I am sure he has taken steps to assure it would never happen again if it did in fact happen at the factory.
I don't understand this sentence. Are you saying you spoke to Mac and he would like to know about this situation? Then you say "if he does, I am sure he has taken steps" which doesn't make sense vs what the first part of the sentence said.
Like I said it was a brand new boat and to be honest I do not know if there was a high water alarm or not. What I do no was that there was no horn or light to let them be aware that the bilge pump was running.
You would be incorrect......not only is there a light for the bilge pump there is a high water alarm also (comfirmed by the owner by the way).
Face it Offshorebri you have always had a hard-on for the Carolina Classics....the engine/water ingestion problem was an issue for certain years of big block GM based motors primarily with underwater exhaust. It had nothing to do with the CC and there were many many failures in many different brands of boats.......even a few mercruisers with traditional I/O exhaust. It had to do with the design of the engine (excessive cam overlap). The reason you heard so much about it with Carolina Classic was not only did they build alot in that configuration(which was more prone to intrusion), Mac Privott went to bat for his customers with Volvo to make them fix them. As far as the CC 35 that sank, it was a brand new shaft seal that failed...again hardly CC's fault.
I don't understand this sentence. Are you saying you spoke to Mac and he would like to know about this situation?
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Isn't it pretty obvious (well, I guess apparently not to everybody) that W. means "knowing the guy like I do, and the type of guy he is and the type of business he runs, he would want to know about this?"
You would be incorrect......not only is there a light for the bilge pump there is a high water alarm also (comfirmed by the owner by the way).
Face it Offshorebri you have always had a hard-on for the Carolina Classics....the engine/water ingestion problem was an issue for certain years of big block GM based motors primarily with underwater exhaust. It had nothing to do with the CC and there were many many failures in many different brands of boats.......even a few mercruisers with traditional I/O exhaust. It had to do with the design of the engine (excessive cam overlap). The reason you heard so much about it with Carolina Classic was not only did they build alot in that configuration(which was more prone to intrusion), Mac Privott went to bat for his customers with Volvo to make them fix them. As far as the CC 35 that sank, it was a brand new shaft seal that failed...again hardly CC's fault.
The problem described above has nothing to do with the engine, but how the engine was installed. Installation is typically done at the factory unless there is some circumstance where the owner wants other engines installed instead, in which case it would still be the dealers fault.
__________________ Top Gun 1992 Donzi 22 Classic 454 King Cobra
Just to be clear, when you "hear'd" (heard) someone say it, it's called "hear say". When you are the one telling a story you were part of or witnessed yourself it is first hand.
Ultimately, going offshore, who is really the one person responsible for the safety of his crew?
If I even had a bilge alarm, I surely wouldn't trust it anyway. What does it take to open a hatch once in a while, especially on a new or new to us boat?
When I got my first job running a 44 express I would be opening the hetch all the time checking the engine room. Probably three or four times on the ride out to fish(60 miles) After a while when I got to know the boat it got to be less but i still checked at least once one the way out and a couple of times during the day and once on the way in. Easy for a skinny guy like me, didnt even have to slow down
The problem described above has nothing to do with the engine, but how the engine was installed. Installation is typically done at the factory unless there is some circumstance where the owner wants other engines installed instead, in which case it would still be the dealers fault.
Nothing to do with the engine??????
I guess that was why VOLVO paid to fix the things under warranty. Did they do this out of the goodness of their heart?????I'm sure they said,Oh we will pay to fix it even though someone else screwed it up.....good luck with that.
Installation plays a factor, but in this case these engines were installed according to the manufacturer's specs. Like I said earlier, specific years of big block GM marinized engines that had excessive valve overlap were failing regardless of boat manufacturer or configuration. The inboard or jackshafted boats with underwater exhaust were more prone to failure than others. Ultimately the failure and responsibility lay with Volvo not Carolina........
You would be incorrect......not only is there a light for the bilge pump there is a high water alarm also (com firmed by the owner by the way).
Face it Offshorebri you have always had a hard-on for the Carolina Classics....the engine/water ingestion problem was an issue for certain years of big block GM based motors primarily with underwater exhaust. It had nothing to do with the CC and there were many many failures in many different brands of boats.......even a few mercruisers with traditional I/O exhaust. It had to do with the design of the engine (excessive cam overlap). The reason you heard so much about it with Carolina Classic was not only did they build alot in that configuration(which was more prone to intrusion), Mac Privott went to bat for his customers with Volvo to make them fix them. As far as the CC 35 that sank, it was a brand new shaft seal that failed...again hardly CC's fault.
Clearly you don't know me. People who do know that I tried very hard actually to but a brand new 28 with a tower back in 2006. My local dealer only had one in stock with 260 Volvos. I had several conversations with Mac in person as well as on the phone and together we decided that a boat with 315 Yanmars would better suite my needs and that was not immediately available at that time. I just sold my Henriques and the CC 35 will very possibly be my next boat. Do a search and you will find this to be true long before I posted this current thread.
What I have a "hard on" for is unacceptable work practices! Paying top dollar for an inferior product is crap. Period.
Let me reiterate myself, I took several sea trials on a 28 CC and think it is one of the best riding, handling and set up boats out there! I would buy one if the price is right! The 32 is Sweet and the 35 is a dream I hope to make a reality in the next few years!
This story was posted for one reason only..............To save lives!
I read this thread until I got a headache. One thing to say to the guy who was sucking salt water through the intake. Better get rid of that boat. Hehe.
Wow, then what are you paying 100k-400k for, CC can't budget them in for that price
