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Anyone regularily use Yamaha Fuel Stabilizer and Conditioner? How does it compare with Sta-Bil or Startron as a fuel stabilizer during a 3 month winter storage?
This is why you need to read the MSDS of any fuel additive before you add it to fuel. Anything with Alcohol (ethanol is alcohol) should Not be added to E10 fuel.
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This is why you need to read the MSDS of any fuel additive before you add it to fuel. Anything with Alcohol (ethanol is alcohol) should Not be added to E10 fuel.
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That is crap.
Which idiot told you that CO2 only makes up 0.039% of the atmosphere?
This is why you need to read the MSDS of any fuel additive before you add it to fuel. Anything with Alcohol (ethanol is alcohol) should Not be added to E10 fuel.
Bill I'm still trying to figure out what that small % of proprietary ingredient in Startron is that makes it so effective.
Mr. Demeanor was right when he said Yamaha fuel stabilizer contains 95% isopropanol. Putting any alcohol in a boat is bad, especially if you're using E10.
Also, looking at the MSDS's of both Startron and Sta-bil you'd see that they both contain 95% heavy oil. Essentially, this is the oil you'd use in your engine. It does help lubricate the fuel system but does not add any energy that is necessary when using E10 blends or after storing fuel for long period of time.
The new Yamaha fuel stabilizer does not have alcohol. Along with Ring Free, it has the new E10 additives that protect the metals in the fuel system from the effects of salts in ethanol.
The MSDS's are not on the Yamaha dealer site yet for the new product. I was told they would be shortly.
Andy
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Thanks, it would be great to see this test repeated with any improvements that may have been made to those and other products like the new Yamaha feul stabilizer.
Think about the reality of have one in every 10 gallons of your fuel being a straight gallon of pure alcohol. Now what are the chances that there exists an additive that can eliminate that alcohol, add back the octane that alcohol supplies, burn safetly in your engine without having its own problems, and come in a concentrate so strong that a small bottle will treat an entire gas tank? Not to even mention all the other claims like increased performance, economy, etc.
If this were the old west, this stuff would be called tonic and sold by men in covered wagons.
There are some benefits to using stabilizers for storage but the rest, IMO, is unsupported marketing BS.
The other side of the coin is, ethanol does have some advantages and that is why it is present in so many of these products. Ethanol is a great cleaner and carbon reducer. I regularly pull apart carbs and since the introduction of E10 those carbs are usually spotless. Carbon buildup on valves and in combustion chambers has been greatly reduced. Again, IMO, I really see no need to decarb since the introduction of E10.
Well, thats my take on the whole thing. I am not going to argue it, just keep doing things the way that has worked very well for me. Only add fuel to the tank when I am ready to burn it. No additives. My boat just sat for almost three months with no additives but less than 1/4 tank. I put 60 gallons in and ran the boat all day. Any water that had accumulated/separated was re-absorbed by the fresh fuel and safely passed through my engine.
Our best hope for a resolution to E10 is improved materials to handle the fuel without deteriorating. It probably wont be long until we see closed fuel tank ventilation systems like those we see in automobiles. We also may see smart fuel systems that will calibrate mixture according to the type of fuel being used. You can make power with E10 it will just kill your economy to do so.
Thats it....in a nutshell
PS. For those that are going to say they use "Brand X" and have had no problems, I have to remind you that it means nothing. I use nothing and have had no problems.
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Think about the reality of have one in every 10 gallons of your fuel being a straight gallon of pure alcohol. Now what are the chances that there exists an additive that can eliminate that alcohol, add back the octane that alcohol supplies, burn safetly in your engine without having its own problems, and come in a concentrate so strong that a small bottle will treat an entire gas tank? Not to even mention all the other claims like increased performance, economy, etc.
If this were the old west, this stuff would be called tonic and sold by men in covered wagons.
There are some benefits to using stabilizers for storage but the rest, IMO, is unsupported marketing BS.
The other side of the coin is, ethanol does have some advantages and that is why it is present in so many of these products. Ethanol is a great cleaner and carbon reducer. I regularly pull apart carbs and since the introduction of E10 those carbs are usually spotless. Carbon buildup on valves and in combustion chambers has been greatly reduced. Again, IMO, I really see no need to decarb since the introduction of E10.
Well, thats my take on the whole thing. I am not going to argue it, just keep doing things the way that has worked very well for me. Only add fuel to the tank when I am ready to burn it. No additives. My boat just sat for almost three months with no additives but less than 1/4 tank. I put 60 gallons in and ran the boat all day. Any water that had accumulated/separated was re-absorbed by the fresh fuel and safely passed through my engine.
Our best hope for a resolution to E10 is improved materials to handle the fuel without deteriorating. It probably wont be long until we see closed fuel tank ventilation systems like those we see in automobiles. We also may see smart fuel systems that will calibrate mixture according to the type of fuel being used. You can make power with E10 it will just kill your economy to do so.
Thats it....in a nutshell
PS. For those that are going to say they use "Brand X" and have had no problems, I have to remind you that it means nothing. I use nothing and have had no problems.
Do you think that the climate matters when considering the amount of phase separation. In that Practical Sailor test they point out the temperature changes may speed the process. I wonder if it's more of a problem in Northern climates?
Hard to say which is worse, temp change or constant high humidity. I know that where I live, the concrete pad my boat sits on, the boat cover, and my truck is soaking wet every morning. This time of year we have both humidity and big fluctuations in day to night temps. That not only increases condensation but increases the volume of air the tank "breathes".
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Anyone regularily use Yamaha Fuel Stabilizer and Conditioner? How does it compare with Sta-Bil or Startron as a fuel stabilizer during a 3 month winter storage?
I have Twin 200 Yamaha Saltwater Series motors with Racor Fuel /Water Separator Filters on both motors and use the Startron every time I fill my boat with gas and Maintain my motors every 50 Hours. But due to an Injury I had to let my boat sit for 3 Months, when I was able to run my boat, the Motors were hard to start, would not Idle and would cut off when giving it Throttle.
It acted like the Carbs were leaning out with fuel, but I had just had all the Carbs. Rebuilt by a Yamaha dealer 1 year ago and did not think that was the problem. So I carried the boat to the Dealer and Guess what My Carbs. needed rebuilding again after 1 Year and only 80 Hours of use. The Mechanic showed me the Carbs and they were surely clogged up . I have a Grady White and according to the dealer my gas Tank and Fuel hoses are able to use the Ethanol Gas. In My opinion the STARTRON DOES NOT WORK. Now looking for an Stabilizer that will WORK for atleast more than a Year with out clogging my Carbs. I can not afford 800.00 Carb. Rebuilds every year.
Any Ideas on what we should do to stop these fuel Problems?
My prior boat was a Striper 2101 DC with a Yamaha 150 4-Stroke. I used Yamaha Fuel Stabilizer and Yamaha Ring Free with every fill up (as instructed by my Yamaha dealer). I had tried Startron and was advised by my dealer not to use Startron because according to Yamaha, Startron breaks the water down in fuel into smaller molecules which end up passing through the engine (which is not a good thing). I know that Yamaha charges a lot for their fuel stabilizer and for Ring Free but their engines are expensive and I'd like to keep them running for a long time. My new boat has twin Yamaha 150's and I plan to continue to use Yamaha Fuel Stabilizer and Yamaha Ring Free.
Startron does not address the decreased energy issue that comes with storing fuel. Whoever told you to use it as a stabilizer was wrong. Essentially, Startron is just 99% heavy oil and .5% "enzymes" which they claim will break down water molecules into smaller molecules to allow combustion (which will surely decrease power).
For a stabilizer you want something that will increase the octane and energy of the fuel since the shelf life of E10 is only 30 days and conventional fuel just three times that amount.
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