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Old 01-26-2010, 03:58 PM
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I just found out that Yamaha now offers Ring Free for E-10 as well now. Its a lot more then the "old ring free" but if it helps with E-10 that keeps us from buying stuff for e-10. My question if I use this new Ring Free, should I buy star tron or any other stuff for my engine or gas? I have a F200 Yamaha 4 stroke.
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The new Ring Free product just came out, so the new "user" info is going to be light. From what I have been told by Yamaha, this new Ring Free "Plus" is a blend of Ring Free and other additives to combat the effects of E10 on the engine fuel system and aluminum fuel system parts. Similar I guess in how other "ethanol" products work. It would not be considered a long term fuel storage additive as the green/blue Stabil would. Yamaha recommends their fuel stabilizer to be used with Ring Free for that.

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The new Ring Free product just came out, so the new "user" info is going to be light. From what I have been told by Yamaha, this new Ring Free "Plus" is a blend of Ring Free and other additives to combat the effects of E10 on the engine fuel system and aluminum fuel system parts. Similar I guess in how other "ethanol" products work. It would not be considered a long term fuel storage additive as the green/blue Stabil would. Yamaha recommends their fuel stabilizer to be used with Ring Free for that.

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So it is a one shot deal for all four stroke yamahas.....

WHAT ABOUT PRICE IS THE RING FREE WITH THE E-10 ABOUT THE SAME PRICE AS THE RING FREE..............?



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So if I have a Honda should I use ring free?
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The new Ring Free product just came out, so the new "user" info is going to be light. From what I have been told by Yamaha, this new Ring Free "Plus" is a blend of Ring Free and other additives to combat the effects of E10 on the engine fuel system and aluminum fuel system parts. Similar I guess in how other "ethanol" products work. It would not be considered a long term fuel storage additive as the green/blue Stabil would. Yamaha recommends their fuel stabilizer to be used with Ring Free for that.

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Ok, so it isn't used for fuel storage. But, during the spring/summer when you are running the boat every 1-3 weeks, can it be used in place of the marine stabil for ethanol? The only reason I would be using the stabil in addition to the ring free would be to combat ethanol, not to stabilize fuel (during the fishing season). Could this new ringfree plus be an alternative to using both stabil and ringfree?
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I just recently saw the new Stabil for ethanol and was wondering about feedback on it.

So what combination would you recommend? I always add the yama ring free when i add gas to the tank becuase I can properly portion it. Could I add the Stabil the same way along with the RingFree when adding fuel? ie: I add gas not knowing if it'll be 1 week or 6 weeks (or longer for arguments sake) before the boat is used again, so I'd like to be safe.

(Hope I didn't confuse!)
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There is no information on my end from Yamaha on the new Ring Free. Just whats on the container. We literally got the first shipment two days ago.

I have a call into Yamaha and they are going to get back with me from the appropriate person with the new RF knowledge. Instead of posting a guess from me, let me get it right and I'll post back on this thread what they tell me.

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Ok, so it isn't used for fuel storage. But, during the spring/summer when you are running the boat every 1-3 weeks, can it be used in place of the marine stabil for ethanol? The only reason I would be using the stabil in addition to the ring free would be to combat ethanol, not to stabilize fuel (during the fishing season). Could this new ringfree plus be an alternative to using both stabil and ringfree?
seems to me all you need is the new ring free product for e-10 ethanol and no longer need to buy stabil. Cost went up to about $17 a 12oz bottle from $12 for the old stuff.
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Do use still need ring free on an f225 if you use startron which is supposed prevent carbon deposits.
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I just ordered 4qts of the new Ringfree plus the E-10 additive from Andy at SIM. I talked to my Yamaha mechanic and he said what he would do is, due to the cost of the Ringfree he said he would prob use it about every other trip or so, which he said is all that is necessary anyway. The qt bottle will treat up to 320 gallons so for my boat thats one fillup, for yours you would need about a bottle and half each time and at 40$ a pop those bottles of Ringfree get expensive. I already have a case of the blue marine Stabil so what i'm gonna do is use the new Ringfree everyother trip and on the trips that I don't use the ring free I will use the blue marine Stabil. So i'll be dealing with the E-10 at all times and the carbon buildup on everyother trip. I only used the Ringfree on every 2nd trip this year anyway and never had any problems.
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Yea, I remember that thread. I've avoided sea foam because of what I read there and other ramblings.

I'm interested to see how these new treatments for the E-10 are. Either the new Yamaha one or the Sta-Bil one. (or both?)
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Will the old ringfree still be available??I have been using ringfree and startron since we were introduced to E10 about 8 yrs ago and I havent had any issues since using the 2 additives. I would rather not change anything since I know what I have been doing is proven for me.

If its not available is it ok to mix the new ringfree and startron??

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Will the old ringfree still be available??I have been using ringfree and startron since we were introduced to E10 about 8 yrs ago and I havent had any issues since using the 2 additives. I would rather not change anything since I know what I have been doing is proven for me.

If its not available is it ok to mix the new ringfree and startron??

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great question and I understand where you are coming from. Not so sure they sell the old ring free any longer. The cost went from $12 to $17 so the new stuff is a money maker.
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Sorry guys.............I did do some more checking and have yet to get with someone in the "know" at Yamaha. Still working on it........hang tight!

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I never had any issues with the old Ring Free and E10 gas. Why would I need to change now?
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I finally got hooked up with the head of Yamaha lubes division(outboards, PWC's, motorcycles ect) and good some good information on E10 fuels and the new Yamaha Ring Free plus . If I am factually inaccurate with the chemical names or anything else, please feel free to correct. I tried to write it all down and go from memory, but Yamaha will have a new lubes catalog out shortly and I'll post that info on our site www.simyamaha.com when it becomes available.(shameless plug.......I know )

So......the new Ring Free is a blend of the previous Ring Free formula and all new additives to help protect the fuel system components from the corrosive effects of the sulfate salts that is in all ethanol. The "E" in E-10.

One of the most common problems associated with e-10 fuels is the effect the ethanol has on metallic fuel system components. These ethanol salts can over time eat away at metallic components on the boat(fuel tank and plumbing) and especially the metallic fuel system components on the engine. With Yamaha's that would be the vapor separator tank(EFI 4-strokes and 2-strokes), fuel pumps and carburetors. When you have this corrosion, that debris/material gets mixed in with the fuel and clogs filters, strainers, jets, inlet needles and injector screens. It also can eat away at aluminum like its lunch.

The new Ring Free plus additives are designed to coat the metallic parts so the salts in the ethanol can not attack or corrode them. Aluminum, steel, and the silver solder used on some engine fuel system parts will be "coated" and therefore will not corrode.

The new Ring Free plus does not have any effect on phase separation. Your fuel system "stabilizers" or long term storage additives (depending on brand) will have some effect on lengthening that time before it may happen.

Yamaha considers long term storage as anything longer then 3 months of time. If the boat will sit for 3 months not being used, treat the fuel accordingly.

Yamaha has tested extensively the RF plus,and has done so as well with all major brands of fuel additives.It is safe to use RF plus with them. Brands mentioned were both of the Sta-bil products, Star-tron, Mercury's and all of Yamaha's.

Yamaha's recommendation is to use the new Ring Free at the constant use rate of 1oz per 10 gallons of fuel.

Even though the RF plus container says to use Yamaha's combustion cleaner in lieu of a shock treatment for carbon removal, I was told if desired the new blend of Ring Free can be used as a shock treatment in the same fashion as the old blend of Ring Free. I was told that shock treatment ratio was removed from the bottle because owners were treating 200 gallon fuel tanks with that rich blend(figuratively and cost wise) of Ring Free, when they didn't really have to. So instead of mentioning how to run the engine on a 5 gallon portable can, they removed it all together from the instructions on the bottles.

Fuel storage stabilizers. The new Yamaha fuel stabilizer has been changed. The isopropyl alcohol was removed, it was reformulated and additionally has the same blend of "coating" chemicals that the Ring Free plus has.

I was told that optimally one would use Ring Free plus and the Yamaha fuel conditioner/stabilizer continually. The benefit to that would be to lengthen the time before phase separation. But at a minimum ,Yamaha recommended Ring Free plus continually at the 1oz of Ring Free plus per 10 gallons of fuel ratio.

Post any questions you have. If I don't know the answer, I will find out, and post back.

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Wow.......thanks Andy.

What about long term storage- do we use Yamaha's fuel stablizer or stick with Startron.
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