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Well, how's this for a straight answer:
I'll go to a very personal example.
A man who never finished high school.
Was in charge of all saltwater testing, Lake X, and setting up the raceboats for Mr. K.
Hired the drivers.
All of the "engineer's" answered to him at the saltwater facility, and Lake X.
Was named by Jim Wynn, (your familiar with that name?) as the most knowledgeable peson re a MERCURY outboard motor.
Answered directly to Mr. Kiekhaefer only.
His title, never once, not ever used by him? "Engineer".
That would be pretty direct, would it not.
Those that have served in the Army as "engineers" would all then be real live diploma carrying?
Yes, "engineer" may be considered by some to be an abused word.
But, WTF, whats this big deal all about?
mike,you still have not answered the question,here it is again...
would you,approve of having the fresh water system repaired,in your $100k boat,by wrapping tape around a fitting ?? again,mike,just answer the question...it's yes or no...would you approve of this "repair" ??
and you're still missing the point,it's not about having a diploma,that's not it,it's about making false claims-something ol' bob the engineer is real good at...this guy's something,he went from building patriot missles,to wrapping tape around a fitting,to stop a leak.he also went from being in colledge-spelling mistake again- with an engineering major,to accounting ??? then dropped out,and began building patriot missles
again,mike,he makes false claims-that's a fact...
here's that question you keep side stepping again:
if your $100k boat had a leak at the fresh water system,and it was repaired by wrapping a fitting with tape,would you approve of that ??
yes or no mike ???
__________________ don't try this at home....i'm a profesional......
i know it's misspelled-it's a joke...get it???
jim anderson jimmy's marine service llc
a 5 star wrenchin' whore !!!
jimmy is it possible that when bob said he was an engineer he was referring to job title not his education
nope !!
he made a claim he was an engineer at proline.he claimed he was an engineer.he did this in a "pm" to me,after i proved him wrong again...
if he told the truth,i would've never pushed this.mr carrigan can't seem to understand the point,which is,education is not the issue,nor is the fact he has or hasn't a diploma,it's about the claim he made "i'm an engineer at proline",which was proven to be false...
__________________ don't try this at home....i'm a profesional......
i know it's misspelled-it's a joke...get it???
jim anderson jimmy's marine service llc
a 5 star wrenchin' whore !!!
mike,you still have not answered the question,here it is again...
would you,approve of having the fresh water system repaired,in your $100k boat,by wrapping tape around a fitting ?? again,mike,just answer the question...it's yes or no...would you approve of this "repair" ??
and you're still missing the point,it's not about having a diploma,that's not it,it's about making false claims-something ol' bob the engineer is real good at...this guy's something,he went from building patriot missles,to wrapping tape around a fitting,to stop a leak.he also went from being in colledge-spelling mistake again- with an engineering major,to accounting ??? then dropped out,and began building patriot missles
again,mike,he makes false claims-that's a fact...
here's that question you keep side stepping again:
if your $100k boat had a leak at the fresh water system,and it was repaired by wrapping a fitting with tape,would you approve of that ??
yes or no mike ???
I think Bob gave a real world answer to the question.
Would I? No, I think I'd spend the money and do it otherwise.
I've been given alternatives as to repairs be it boats, cars, my plumbing at home, my roof, on and on.
All he did was offer a fast and cheap fix alternative.
Look, I've known Bob, or of Bob, thru three companies.
All three have nothing but praise for the man and his abilities.
Bob and I never see each other. Well, at least seldom do.
We never talk on the phone unless it's required.
He's never let me down.
If I ask his help I never have to look twice. It'll be done, done correctly, and on time.
He's at the PRO-LINE plant, I'm (regretably) at the DONZI plant. I'm trying to be as much of a pain in the ass as I can so they'll throw me out and send me back to Crystal River, where I belong.
I'm picking up a brand new model at PRO-LINE on Monday. Bob was involved. I know the hull from years before, but we're reintroducing it as a PRO-LITE.
I'll be running the boat with some dealers for a few weeks. I'll pick it up on Monday, wont have a single doubt as to everything being right. I'll hook up and go and it will be done perfectly. And this is the first we've built this hull in many years, never as a PRO-LITE before at all.
I have 100% faith in the man.
As did my oldest son when he was sales manager at STAMAS, and my oppisite numbers at both AQUASPORT and HYDRASPORT, people I know quite well, and for many years.
So, what am I suppose to think?
An abuse of a word that allmost everyone in the industry abuses?
A suggestion of a quick and easy fix, a "bandaid" so to speak?
Jimmie, it's just not a big deal.
I think Bob gave a real world answer to the question.
Would I? No, I think I'd spend the money and do it otherwise.
I've been given alternatives as to repairs be it boats, cars, my plumbing at home, my roof, on and on.
All he did was offer a fast and cheap fix alternative.
Look, I've known Bob, or of Bob, thru three companies.
All three have nothing but praise for the man and his abilities.
Bob and I never see each other. Well, at least seldom do.
We never talk on the phone unless it's required.
He's never let me down.
If I ask his help I never have to look twice. It'll be done, done correctly, and on time.
He's at the PRO-LINE plant, I'm (regretably) at the DONZI plant. I'm trying to be as much of a pain in the ass as I can so they'll throw me out and send me back to Crystal River, where I belong.
I'm picking up a brand new model at PRO-LINE on Monday. Bob was involved. I know the hull from years before, but we're reintroducing it as a PRO-LITE.
I'll be running the boat with some dealers for a few weeks. I'll pick it up on Monday, wont have a single doubt as to everything being right. I'll hook up and go and it will be done perfectly. And this is the first we've built this hull in many years, never as a PRO-LITE before at all.
I have 100% faith in the man.
As did my oldest son when he was sales manager at STAMAS, and my oppisite numbers at both AQUASPORT and HYDRASPORT, people I know quite well, and for many years.
So, what am I suppose to think?
An abuse of a word that allmost everyone in the industry abuses?
A suggestion of a quick and easy fix, a "bandaid" so to speak?
Jimmie, it's just not a big deal.
..............and the BS Engineer of The Year goes to............
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What does any of that have to do with why yer boats' scuppers are so poorly designed, or how to fix them ?
jimmy is it possible that when bob said he was an engineer he was referring to job title not his education
miike, that is exactly the point Jimmy keeps trying to work around. Bob said he was a production engineer. To my knowledge he never claimed to have an engineering degree (although he has done significant course work in the area). Because Bob suggested a fix that Jimmy didn't agree with he feels the need to make a personal attack on a public forum instead of sticking to PM's.
Jimmy is a very knowledgable guy when it comes to marine repair. Probably one of the best. But he has a personalty flaw that won't allow him to simply give his advice. He has to attack anyone who gives advice that is diffent than his. I've read the majoity of his posts going back several years, including back before he was banned from GreatGrady. He always has excellent advice. If he could just stop there.
Perhaps Jawz doesn't grasp the term as it relates to the marine industry. Back before there were production companies right on up to this day, an engineer on a ship was someone who worked on the systems of the ship. It wasn't a degreed position as such, just a term used in the maritime industry. Probably carried over from the locomotive industry where "engineers" ran the train That term has further been carried over into the small boat production industry lexicon. Jawz seems to attach quite a bit of importance to the use of the term. I personally find it amusing to use the term to designate a person or position that isn't a degreed spot on the roster but it is commonly used and therefore not really a big deal to me.
Bob can call himself an astronaut for all I care. And while I may not agree with some of the fixes or advice he's posted, he has the right to post them and be exposed to scrutiny from Jawz, me, or anyone else. Of course, if I believe he is giving erroneous advice I would post what I thought was correct information but not attack him personally. This childlike bickering, while entertaining for a few minutes a day, doesn't solve the OP's problem.
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Perhaps Jawz doesn't grasp the term as it relates to the marine industry. Back before there were production companies right on up to this day, an engineer on a ship was someone who worked on the systems of the ship. It wasn't a degreed position as such, just a term used in the maritime industry. Probably carried over from the locomotive industry where "engineers" ran the train That term has further been carried over into the small boat production industry lexicon. Jawz seems to attach quite a bit of importance to the use of the term. I personally find it amusing to use the term to designate a person or position that isn't a degreed spot on the roster but it is commonly used and therefore not really a big deal to me.
Bob can call himself an astronaut for all I care. And while I may not agree with some of the fixes or advice he's posted, he has the right to post them and be exposed to scrutiny from Jawz, me, or anyone else. Of course, if I believe he is giving erroneous advice I would post what I thought was correct information but not attack him personally. This childlike bickering, while entertaining for a few minutes a day, doesn't solve the OP's problem.
i get the term,and it's use...and i wholeheartedly agree with you concernign this guy's advice and fixes.i've "pm'd" a few people with the correct fix,rather than posting it quite a few times,in fact,the guy who started this thread,he pm'd me today asking for a real fix,as soon as i'm done typing,i will give him the info he's asking for...pretty sad,the info he gets from "some one in the know" is about useless...
no personal attack here,did i call him bad names ?? insult him ?? nope...stated facts,just facts...truth hurts...
and for the record,this guy called himself "osprey250",he was banned from this site,but,he reregistered under a different name...
__________________ don't try this at home....i'm a profesional......
i know it's misspelled-it's a joke...get it???
jim anderson jimmy's marine service llc
a 5 star wrenchin' whore !!!
miike, that is exactly the point Jimmy keeps trying to work around. Bob said he was a production engineer. To my knowledge he never claimed to have an engineering degree (although he has done significant course work in the area). Because Bob suggested a fix that Jimmy didn't agree with he feels the need to make a personal attack on a public forum instead of sticking to PM's.
Jimmy is a very knowledgable guy when it comes to marine repair. Probably one of the best. But he has a personalty flaw that won't allow him to simply give his advice. He has to attack anyone who gives advice that is diffent than his. I've read the majoity of his posts going back several years, including back before he was banned from GreatGrady. He always has excellent advice. If he could just stop there.
The interesting thing is that the two of them would probobly be pals if they had a beer togeather. They're not all that different in that they're both very good tradesmen.
They began slugging it out a little over a year ago over wiring in something like a fifteen year old AQUASPORT.
Bob performs very valuable services for us. He's quite good and goe's way out of his way to help people.
Part of my actual job description includes the blogs. There's a reason for that. It's a 24/7 job, very time consuming, but I like it, and it dosen't keep me away from my other duties. I spend alot of time on the computer anyway, it's just a matter of stopping by THT and seeing if there's anything having to do with PRO-LINE going on. In Bob's case, he likes helping people.
Regretably, Bob has been completely on the defensive here. It's gone way too far and needs to end.
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What does any of that have to do with why yer boats' scuppers are so poorly designed, or how to fix them ?[/QUOTE]
I believe Bob had suggested a legitimate fix however he could not see what I was looking at until I got him pictures. Replacing the t-hulls is what I'm gonna do, install the systems for backup and go fishing.
FF following someone around on this forum and bashing everything they say for your competitive/personal reasons is a little infantile and you should stop and think because if you piss someone off bad enough (and you will) they will do the same to you and discredit everything you say. At the end of the day it will get you nowhere only make people leary of any legitimate suggestions or comments you may have. Hell, your probably a pretty good guy sure looks like you can get on the fish, however, hijacking someones post for personal gain should not be permitted or tolerated. Opposing opinions is what it's all about- bashing is counter productive. Tight lines.................
i get the term,and it's use...and i wholeheartedly agree with you concernign this guy's advice and fixes.i've "pm'd" a few people with the correct fix,rather than posting it quite a few times,in fact,the guy who started this thread,he pm'd me today asking for a real fix,as soon as i'm done typing,i will give him the info he's asking for...pretty sad,the info he gets from "some one in the know" is about useless...
no personal attack here,did i call him bad names ?? insult him ?? nope...stated facts,just facts...truth hurts...
and for the record,this guy called himself "osprey250",he was banned from this site,but,he reregistered under a different name...
Okay, so he called himself an engineer and in the vernacular of the marine industry he was correct. That's probably his job title. You repeatedly called him out on his use of the term in a manner that I would characterize as an attack. Sure, you didn't call him "bad names" but the tone of your posts were still antagonistic. Now you're saying that you understand the term as it's used in the marine industry. You seem to agree that the term engineer is used to describe someone who works on boat systems yet you don't think he is one. So which is it - he's an engineer (someone who works on boat systems) by the loose definition of the marine industry or he's not an engineer regardless of the tradition in the industry?
You don't really have to answer because I know, in the end, you and Seabob will continue to each other.
Also for the record, I remember when he was osprey250 and the pissin match between you two about the Aquasport.
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I'm a degreed BSME and never get offended when someone states they are an engineer when they have no degree. There are a lot of old school non-degreed engineers that have a wealth of real world experience, often worth much more than 4 years of college. Engineer doesn't always mean having a degree.
However, and I am actually a fan of Proline boats and think they make a great product, these posts that turn into Proline love fests make me want to puke. You Proline employees making repeated responses to such posts are doing your business a disservice. You guys should take your own advice and just leave it alone.
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I'm a degreed BSME and never get offended when someone states they are an engineer when they have no degree. There are a lot of old school non-degreed engineers that have a wealth of real world experience, often worth much more than 4 years of college. Engineer doesn't always mean having a degree.
However, and I am actually a fan of Proline boats and think they make a great product, these posts that turn into Proline love fests make me want to puke. You Proline employees making repeated responses to such posts are doing your business a disservice. You guys should take your own advice and just leave it alone.
I've actually given that alot of thought.
I've never began a thread. I respond to anything as to PRO-LINE or a PRO-LINE related matter. Sometimes other issues, that are fun issues, or interesting, but for the very most part, I'm answering questions as to our product.
Also, we're a customer service dept that's open 7 days a week.
I'm truly sorry I make you puke.
The other side of your puking issue is my PM box staying pretty full as to service questions, performace questions, warranty issues as to our product on a 24/7 basis. Questions that go to twenty-thirty year old PRO-LINE product, and older.
Truth be told, I was assigned to the job, intend to continue with it, sorry I make you puke, but I get alot more positive than I do negative.
If that turns around, then that would be a seperate issue.
BTW, PRO-LINE "love fests"?
Mister, do you read the heat I sometimes take?
Doe's your manufacturer have the gonads to come on and take it head on using his actual name?
Where do you go on a Sunday afternoon to get your answers?
Your manufacturer perhaps?
No sir, I'll hang around some with or wihout your puking.
Doe's your manufacturer have the gonads to come on and take it head on using his actual name?
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"gonads" or lack of class ? Anyone see Reggie Fountain on here explaining why his boats can't stay above water.......whining about "not making any money".......bragging about his JD Powers customer ratings (which are pd for).....even hyping his dealers ?
each other.
