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You can also google "inline scupper". They run from 12-15 dollars.
I don't see how these help.....yer adding more fittings, hoses, clamps....more chances for failure. Seems to be a big compromise in seaworthiness for an inch or 2 of deck height.
I rigged a brand new boat for a friend a while back that had similar issues. Maiden voyage almost became it's last. The scupper was at the waterline but no hose, it was a direct drain through the side of the hull. At trolling speed, the hull squatted a bit and the boat took on water. We didn't realize it until it was almost too late because the water ran into the drain channel that spanned the aft bulkhead. Water entered and filled the bilge. Due to the builder's faulty wiring of the float switches, there was never any pump running to clear the water or at least give us an indication that something was wrong.
Now, you can blame us for not being aware of the problem with the pumps and maybe for not realizing the problem until the water started pouring in the scuppers and staying above deck (both of which the builder tried), but the bottom line is the boat had a design flaw and no easy fix. The best we could do was add flap type scupper covers.
A couple of points for you. Those drains, below the water line not only allow for water ingress, but they also slow water egress. While egress may not be an issue while on plane, if you get a good shot of water while at rest or maybe trolling speed, cockpit drainage could be slowed to unacceptable levels or, as my case, flow into the bilge.
The drains are where they are and I guess not much can be done to make an easy fix but it is something to watch. I don't like check valves for open drains. Any number of things can find their way into the line and hang up at the valve, leaving you susceptible to water coming in. It may be the best bandaid in your case, but, in my opinion, it is still just a bandaid. I would recommend a high water alarm as a must have item.
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I would recommend a high water alarm as a must have item.
Of course, an excellent idea, as well as an elevated float activating a 2nd, or 3rd bilge pump.
But that is no excuse, especially on days when water conditions are somewhat "up", to stick your head in the bilge every 15 minutes or so to see what's going on down there.
I don't see how these help.....yer adding more fittings, hoses, clamps....more chances for failure. Seems to be a big compromise in seaworthiness for an inch or 2 of deck height.
you are really bordering on psycho, is your only purpose of this board to troll for Donzi/Pro Line threads and try to crap on them?
LOTS OF BOATS have decks that are not self bailing or rely on hoses and connections to drain the boat and keep it afloat. You as a consumer makes these decisions when you buy the boat and accept the maintenance issues. There are always trade offs.
you are really bordering on psycho, is your only purpose of this board to troll for Donzi/Pro Line threads and try to crap on them?
LOTS OF BOATS have decks that are not self bailing or rely on hoses and connections to drain the boat and keep it afloat. You as a consumer makes these decisions when you buy the boat and accept the maintenance issues. There are always trade offs.
Exactly what did I "crap" on ? Two posters can't keep their boats above water. Someone suggests adding more fittings/hoses/clamps in bilge. As a Marine Repair Professional.....do you think this is a good idea ?
Really. You think this is a good design ? I wonder how many "consumers" understand their "self bailing" boat decks aren't really self bailing ?
What are the "maintenance issues" for bamboozle when he can't keep a new 30' Donzi's azz above water ?
The boat manufacturer takes hull with know problem and recycles the hull to another boat line.....that OK by you ?
Imagine the "tone" of this thread had the offending boat been a Trophy or SeaFox.
Quite well. Direct drains off the side. Deck is 4- 8" above the waterline depending on model. The boat I rigged that had the problem was not a Venture, just in case you're confused.
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Quite well. Direct drains off the side. Deck is4-8"above the waterline depending on model. The boat I rigged that had the problem was not a Venture, just in case you're confused.
you are really bordering on psycho, is your only purpose of this board to troll for Donzi/Pro Line threads and try to crap on them?
LOTS OF BOATS have decks that are not self bailing or rely on hoses and connections to drain the boat and keep it afloat. You as a consumer makes these decisions when you buy the boat and accept the maintenance issues. There are always trade offs.
The boy is really going to have a need for changing his panties regularily as it appears our parent's bid for FOUNTAIN will probobly be ratified with the federal court.
Talk about this kid having a full time trolling job?
Ray,
Your replies and suggestions are always useful and informative. Didn't mean any disrespect...
Mike,
Tell the boss I said hey. You are one lucky man!
Oh yeah, I noticed.
It's becomming more and more difficult to diplomatically correct him.
I asked him when he applied for a job in sales or marketing, might not be a good idea to use me as a referance.
Oh yeah, I noticed.
It's becomming more and more difficult to diplomatically correct him.
I asked him when he applied for a job in sales or marketing, might not be a good idea to use me as a referance.
You never know, Mike, might be the other way around...
Exactly what did I "crap" on ? Two posters can't keep their boats above water. Someone suggests adding more fittings/hoses/clamps in bilge. As a Marine Repair Professional.....do you think this is a good idea ?
Really. You think this is a good design ? I wonder how many "consumers" understand their "self bailing" boat decks aren't really self bailing ?
What are the "maintenance issues" for bamboozle when he can't keep a new 30' Donzi's azz above water ?
The boat manufacturer takes hull with know problem and recycles the hull to another boat line.....that OK by you ?
Imagine the "tone" of this thread had the offending boat been a Trophy or SeaFox.
oh come on, now you are going to play like this is the only thread you try to get Mike to step on his words? Why dont you finally come clean and tell everyone who you work for or what you sell?
Its safe to say bamboozles boat had another issue, what it is who know? Otherwise EVERY 30 would be well known and probably recalled for sinking.
A little update to this thread. The OP contacted me last night, we had a very good conversation as to his issue. I told him the proper installation methods, as well as some additional safeguards to implement to keep large objects out of his scupper drains. He seemed very happy with our conversation. I also alerted him to the state of his wiring, as we all know what kind of shape a 10 year old boats wiring can be in, regardless of the builder.
He told me he wanted to keep our conversation away from the open forum, as there appeared to be many animosities that in effect had nothing to do with the problem he needed answers for. That is unfortunate, as often further discussion can lead to other solutions, sometimes they being better solutions.
As I stated earlier in this thread, people post on THT looking for answers to their problems. They could give a RAT'S ASS about someone having a problem with someone else...
The easiest way to install these scuppers is with a heat gun and some silicone spray.
Gently heat up the ends of the 1 1/2" hose so that it is pliable. Spray the inside with silicone lubricant, slide the hose on to the scupper, then tighten clamps. Repeat for the opposite side. Be careful with the heat gun as it reaches temps in the area of 700 degrees at the nozzle.
I've been installing hoses like this for 15 years. If any body want's to give me sh!t for doing it this way, then they've never installed hoses on a boat!
I see your concern as this is one of the biggest reasons boats of this era SINK and belive me it happens to all kinds of boats with this scupper design
first inspect to see is it actualy made of some kind of marine metal? (bronze stainless steel) if it is not REPLACE IT with a good quality marine metel replace the hose and double clamp it
what happens is the hose getts old and from the factory to save on costs they use the shortest ammount possiable with plastic fittings and as they age the fittings sheer off causing water to enter the hull or drain from the deck into the hull
and replace the single 1100 GPM rule pump/flot switch combo with a 3500 and an actual switch as a precaution
