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Old 11-25-2009, 05:02 AM
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TEEZER 38, I found the test results from Boating Magazine (see below).

While normally I don't question tests, that data is just plain wrong. According to Cummins, the B370's burn rate at wot, which is 3,000 rpm, is 20.1 gal/hr - Boating has it at 17.3 gal/hr.; and if propped right, 75% load at 2,700 rpm (-10% rpm off top) should have been 14.8 gal/hr per motor or 29.6 gal/hr to yield 28.9 kts = 0.98 nmpg.

The figures boating has @ 2,700 rpm (90% max rpm) is a 58% load - that is just something not seen with planing hulls, and is even below the prop curve for trawlers, which for 370B's is 70% - typical for a planing hull is 70-80% depending upon how close to max power at the rated rpm the boat is, and it looks like the Topaz was right at rated, which is not surprising since it maximizes the performance numbers even if it is harder on the engines.


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Regarding weights of these boats remember that Carolina Clissic quotes a wet weight where the others here quote a dry weight. A 32 Cabo with tower and full fuel and water will weigh well north of 22K - 23K lbs. Same goes for the 32 Topaz.
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teezer 38, i found the test results from boating magazine (see below).

While normally i don't question tests, that data is just plain wrong. According to cummins, the b370's burn rate at wot, which is 3,000 rpm, is 20.1 gal/hr - boating has it at 17.3 gal/hr.; and if propped right, 75% load at 2,700 rpm (-10% rpm off top) should have been 14.8 gal/hr per motor or 29.6 gal/hr to yield 28.9 kts = 0.98 nmpg.

The figures boating has @ 2,700 rpm (90% max rpm) is a 58% load - that is just something not seen with planing hulls, and is even below the prop curve for trawlers, which for 370b's is 70% - typical for a planing hull is 70-80% depending upon how close to max power at the rated rpm the boat is, and it looks like the topaz was right at rated, which is not surprising since it maximizes the performance numbers even if it is harder on the engines.


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li32 i dont disagree.
Maybe someone with these engines can chime in?
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Regarding weights of these boats remember that Carolina Clissic quotes a wet weight where the others here quote a dry weight. A 32 Cabo with tower and full fuel and water will weigh well north of 22K - 23K lbs. Same goes for the 32 Topaz.
The only Topaz weighing that much will be a 2005 hull. 1999-2004 boats weighed 20,500 "fully laden" in their words which means full fuel *

Even with full fuel a Cabo 32 only weighs 21,550 and yes Carolina weights are full fuel so at 26,000# it still weighs two tons plus more than a Cabo32 or a 1999-2004 Topaz and one ton more than a 2005 Topaz.

Compare apples to apples with all boats full fuel
CC32 full 26,000
Cabo 32 full 21,550
Topaz 32 full 20,500 (1999-2004)
Topaz 32 full 24,000 (2005 only)

It's interesting to note that the brand new Topaz built by Egg Harbor now called the 33' reverts back to the old 1999-2004 weights due to now being a cored boat despite what their still incorrect website says where they still reference the lay-up of the Stone Harbor built boats which were all solid glass.

*Topaz weights referenced from the builder: http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...-32-topaz.html
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The only Topaz weighing that much will be a 2005 hull. 1999-2004 boats weighed 20,500 "fully laden" in their words which means full fuel *

Even with full fuel a Cabo 32 only weighs 21,550 and yes Carolina weights are full fuel so at 26,000# it still weighs two tons plus more than a Cabo32 or a 1999-2004 Topaz and one ton more than a 2005 Topaz.
I am still not sure why everyone thinks if a CC 32 weighs 26,000lb wet, that is a good thing? To me it just sounds like it is overweight.
A 32' Blackfin Combi, in rounded numbers, light is 18,000 lbs, which wet is 20,500 lbs (304 gal fuel, 50 gal water) - add another 1,000 lbs for a tower, and rigging, and you are still at 21,500 lbs all in.
I am unaware of any Blackfin 31/32/33 (or for that matter any other Blackfin model (27, 29, 36, 38 or 40)) ever suffering a hull failure, and the newest of those is 11 years old - the oldest 25+, so they certainly have been time tested. The CC 32 likely will pass the test of time too - the oldest CC 35's now being 10 years old; but unless someone can show me where that additonal 4,500 lbs is, and why it makes the CC 32 a better built boat than a Blackfin 32, I am not convinced the additonal 2 tons a CC 32 weighs over a 32' Topaz or 32' Cabo makes it a better, or better built boat.
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Teezer, you should buy the 32 CC. I think Capt. Steve and the dirt burners want to crew for you!
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Both are obviously excellent choices. I prefer the fact that CC is still in business without changing hands several times for hull issues if they ever were to arise. Also I prefer a wind shield that has wipers a huge negative for me in the topaz. I know the CC is better in a head sea, but I do a lot of Drift fishing and the Topaz is more stable at rest.
I agree with Loose Crew about the weights Dry vs Wet fully loaded there very close.
Many CC owners tend to push posted weight as a huge benefit and it can be , but it is definitely a trade off against fuel economy. I would pick the CC if all was equal, but if the Topaz was a better value I would not hesitate to buy one. However at the same price the CC wins for me ...
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Teezer, you should buy the 32 CC. I think Capt. Steve and the dirt burners want to crew for you!
SURLY, THEY CAN HANG WITH THE STINKBOAT CROWD.
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I am still not sure why everyone thinks if a CC 32 weighs 26,000lb wet, that is a good thing? To me it just sounds like it is overweight.
A 32' Blackfin Combi, in rounded numbers, light is 18,000 lbs, which wet is 20,500 lbs (304 gal fuel, 50 gal water) - add another 1,000 lbs for a tower, and rigging, and you are still at 21,500 lbs all in.
I am unaware of any Blackfin 31/32/33 (or for that matter any other Blackfin model (27, 29, 36, 38 or 40)) ever suffering a hull failure, and the newest of those is 11 years old - the oldest 25+, so they certainly have been time tested. The CC 32 likely will pass the test of time too - the oldest CC 35's now being 10 years old; but unless someone can show me where that additonal 4,500 lbs is, and why it makes the CC 32 a better built boat than a Blackfin 32, I am not convinced the additonal 2 tons a CC 32 weighs over a 32' Topaz or 32' Cabo makes it a better, or better built boat.
Ride a CC32 in 3's or better and you will know
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Ride a CC32 in 3's or better and you will know
I've been on my friends CC32' fairly often, and in the same 3-5's as I have been in my 32' Blackfin Combi hundreds of times, and I can assure you even with its lighter weight, the Blackfin's 21 degree deadrise, 65 degree entry and ton of bow flare easily matches the ride of the CC32. The big advantage the CC32 has, is with twin QSB 425's, in favorable conditions, his boat is 4 kts faster at cruise than mine, which saves him 20 minutes or so getting out to Hudson Canyon.
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i've been on my friends cc32' fairly often, and in the same 3-5's as i have been in my 32' blackfin combi hundreds of times, and i can assure you even with its lighter weight, the blackfin's 21 degree deadrise, 65 degree entry and ton of bow flare easily matches the ride of the cc32. The big advantage the cc32 has, is with twin qsb 425's, in favorable conditions, his boat is 4 kts faster at cruise than mine, which saves him 20 minutes or so getting out to hudson canyon.

how is the drift on the 32cc?
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how is the drift on the 32cc?

Not bad on the drift if you have the cockpit floor carpeted to keep the coolers from breaking your legs when they slide from side to side.
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how is the drift on the 32cc?
I hope its better than the 28.. Bottom fishing in choppy 3 to 4 footers out of OI was not fun..
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how is the drift on the 32cc?
Just like every other deep vee - beam to, with a fair bit of rock and roll!
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Just like every other deep vee - beam to, with a fair bit of rock and roll!
I do not drift my boat, I am always anchored. But even anchored sometimes if there is a side swell and your like WTF??? BUT...it's real nice to push the throttles forward between spots and run comfortably in some crappy seas.
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i do not drift my boat, i am always anchored. But even anchored sometimes if there is a side swell and your like wtf??? But...it's real nice to push the throttles forward between spots and run comfortably in some crappy seas.
thats what i figured.40 pages on the cc owners website and everyone seems to avoid the "drift" question.
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The drift issue is a definite plus for the Topaz. Albemarle stopped building arguably the best riding 32' hull ever built because of the stability at rest. Instead they chose to keep the 31' hull which is much more stable at rest and an all around better design. Unless all you do is troll the stability at rest can be a deal breaker...
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thats what i figured.40 pages on the cc owners website and everyone seems to avoid the "drift" question.
Trust me...they do not avoid the "drift question".................they avoid the drift itself.



I love the boat but it is not at all a drift boat. Just circling around looking for my bottom spots can be a rocking adventure. Most of the time it is ok on the hook. But the ride in the crap is nice and it is well designed and I love the fact that it very, very, very rarely slams into a wave. I have been on other boats the same size and you have to hold on to keep your spine in tact....not on a 32CC.
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BOTH are great boats & you really cant go wrong with either.

Most people are probably not familiar with the new generation of Topaz as these are not a high-production boat. The fit & finish on these boats is top-shelf.

Good luck with your boat search & keep us updated on your purchase
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One thing to add since the OP was looking for comparisons and all we have been talking about is performance which although important I think with these boats there are no disapointments. The CC has perhaps the best fish box capability of any 30ish express ever made. The refrigerated and macerated fishboxes at 50 gallons each is a neat addition for offshore work. The 32 owners with that option report being able to slush salt water enroute to the canyons. Even if the freezer boxes don't excite you, the twin 50 gallon boxes are standard. Below deck storage is very important on any express and CC has always made that an important part of their boat building. The other thing surely worth mentioning is something that only CC offers and that is a lifetime warranty on their hulls no matter how many owners the boat has had. The family owned factory support is something that is often overlooked and my dealings with Mac and keith over the past three years of CC ownership is the best I have ever seen in the marine business. I think the only other company that may even come close is Henriques.
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