3070 Pursuit Info

[albiewhore23]

with F225s i was averaging about 1.2 nmpg in calm water (~28 knots burning ~23 gph). I should note, despite my somewhat negative comments i loved the boat and wound up moving up to their C340 this season. They really make a great boat....

[1eyedjack]

Pursuit shows at 4000 rpm, 27.3 mph, burning 16.8 gallons/hour and getting 1.61 mpg for a range of 450 miles. That test was done with the water temp at 77*, outside temp was 78* winds were 10mph SW. Weight as tested was 11,931 lbs. which included 280 gallons fuel 30 gal.water, test gear was 50lbs and personnel was 350lbs. Twin Yamah 225 four strokes.

[PSW]

We had a 2005 with the F250's. For a full trip we avg 1.4 mpg real world. Great boat as mentioned before but look at the 3370/335. Trust those of us that have owned the 3070 and learned. The head comments crack me up. I remember being out 30 miles offshore going doogie with the damn door open. Also the mid berth at 5'11" is storage only. 2 people can enjoy the boat and if you are husband wife it may work for weekends. The guys who purchased our boat loves it but he is also looking to move up and get more cabin. Hint Hint.

I now have a 40 Convertible and if I ever were to go outboards again I would do the 335 without a doubt.

[jpbarnlight]

PSW is spot on. Just having the onboard geni to run the systems, AC/heat, keep batts charges, etc. is worthwhile. Especially if you're overnighting. Takes it to a much more liveable level.
You will not regret having the extra space. These boats seem big when you're looking at them, but once you've owned it for a while, just about everyone wishes their boat was bigger., as your current boat seems to "shrink" from your initial impressions.

As to fuel burn, people are way too hung up on it. I never understood where twin 225s or twin 250s are going to vary that much. At the end of the season, what would the total fuel bill be for either one??? Maybe $1000 in either direction, if that?? That is such a small percentage of the overall costs to buy, maintain, and use. I see it as irrelevant and a bad way to decide which boat to own. Sea conditions alone can make my boat get 1 mpg, or 1.3 mpg....

[jwdrech]

Is it true wood gives a better ride because it "gives"? Is the transom made of wood? The Gradys use wood transoms and are known for soft transoms over time. I have personal experience with that.

If you have had experience with the ride I would apppreciate your input as well. I have my choices narrowed down to a World Cat or the Pursuit.

[relentlesspursuit]

Originally Posted by jwdrech

Is it true wood gives a better ride because it "gives"? Is the transom made of wood? The Gradys use wood transoms and are known for soft transoms over time. I have personal experience with that.

If you have had experience with the ride I would apppreciate your input as well. I have my choices narrowed down to a World Cat or the Pursuit.

The transom in the 3070 is wood, as are the stringers. I'm sure there will be some who have had issues with wood construction in a Pursuit; water intrusion WILL happen over time. I will say while I worked for Pursuit (7 yrs) I never saw or heard of a boat coming back to the plant for warrenty due to softening wood. We had weekly meetings to cover warrenty items, especially if the issue was relative to structural FRP issues.

The main difference between Pursuit & Grady are the following; Grady uses DCPD resin & syntactic foam for construction & polyester putty to bed their transoms. Pursuit used vinyl ester throughout the build & (at the time) beds their transoms in with 6 - 10oz of fiberglass mat & resin. Pursuit no longers uses this method to install transoms, as they now infuse them into place to eliminate any potential voids.

I can speak of the materials GW uses first hand because I have worked projects for them that have included the 283, 330, 360 & 366.

[jpbarnlight]

I never rode in a World Cat, so can't say how they compare. I hear good things. I'm sure the cat is smoother in chop/small waves.

335 and 3070 will not ride all that much different. A little more length and weight, ,same deadrise, same beam...very similiar. If my choice was Worldcat vs. Pursuit, I think you'd have to go sea trial both to see which suits you best.
Relentless can chime in on wood and/or lack of...I'm sure he has
a lot of info that he can share.

[jwdrech]

You're right jpbarnlight. It shouldn't be the one thing that decides which boat to buy. Gas cost seems like small factor compared to a long time experience. I have heard there is a smaller fishbox on the 33 footer? Can you tell me how much smaller it would be? We fish for salmon and would like to throw six 30 pound fish in there with ice. Is there still a decent livewell?

[jpbarnlight]

There is enough room in the fishbox for that. It's not huge, but I fit 6 small yellowfin (20-30 lb) and a nice bull mahi in there this year, with plenty of room left over.
I look at it this way, no way I could eat everything that fits in there.
I keep a fish bag in the boat just in case of a monster., or if you were worried about capacity. It's a removeble box that is macerated, and ice stays frozen very well.
Livewell is lighted, recirculates, and aerated. Rounded corners, and blue colored inside with clear lid. It is as good as they get.

The few things I dislike is geni and bilge access. Everything can be reached, but it's not easy. Not sure how the newer boats are for access. I think, overall, it's a lot of boat for the money, esp. with the deals out there now.

Send me a PM. with email, I can send you some pics of fishbox w/ fish.

[Reel Pursuit]

I have the 3070 Offshore CC with twin F250s. My experience is very similar to what others have said.
The fishbox is good sized. We've had large bluefin tuna up to 180lbs in there or multiple 30-50lb yellows and mahis. The ice holds up fairly well, it's insulated and macerated.
I don't have the genset but I plan to pick up a portable Honda next year and that will keep the AC and battery charger running while offshore.
The head is small. When I go in for #2, the door stays open. Sure I would love a bigger head, but it doesn't get used that much so to me it's not that critical. Women might fit in there better if they are "small framed."
The V berth sleeps me and the lady just fine. I use the aft berth for storage but I have slept in there on overnighters. One adult is OK or 2 small children. I would characterize it as "doable" but not really ideal.
The entire helm deck raises up for rod storage. This looks like a really cool feature but as a practical matter it's a PIA. You have to get down on your knees and get up under there to retreive/store a rod. The hydraulic arm is in the center so the rods can't be pulled straight out, you have to kitty corner them. Also, they are stacked 6 on top of 6. Invariably, the one you need is in the bottom 6. You get the idea.
My fuel burn numbers are very similar to what others mentioned and what Pursuit publishes. When loaded up for offshore trips, gear, 4 guys, full fuel and ice I will get about 1.4 mpg. That will drop to about 1.2 - 1.3 as conditions worsen. With a light load and calm waters I see 1.5 - 1.6. These numbers are at 30kts, 4500/4600 RPMs.
The ride is pretty good in honest 3-4' chop. You have to use the tabs and slow down to about 20-22mph but it works. Beyond that and you will get pounded.
My hull is an '03 and has wood in the stringers and transom. Pursuit does an extremely good job of encapsulating all wood in glass/resin/epoxy. It's very unlikely you would have a problem here. I believe the newer models are all composite.
Overall I am very happy with the boat after 2 seasons. Having said that, next time I'm in the market, it will be a diesel powered flybridge.

[relentlesspursuit]

Originally Posted by Reel Pursuit

My hull is an '03 and has wood in the stringers and transom. Pursuit does an extremely good job of encapsulating all wood in glass/resin/epoxy. It's very unlikely you would have a problem here. I believe the newer models are all composite.
Overall I am very happy with the boat after 2 seasons. Having said that, next time I'm in the market, it will be a diesel powered flybridge.

Pursuit never used a pure epoxy resin with the 3070. Yes, the type of resin they used is an acrylic modified epoxy (AME 1000), this does not make it an epoxy. AME 1000 is a blended vinyl ester resin...if you want to get technical, vinyl ester is what some consider a "cousin" of epoxy, but it's still an ester based matrix.

[Reel Pursuit]

Thanks for the clarification. This technical stuff is way over my head. I know Pursuit uses vinylester which is regarded as the best stuff to use. And they do an excellent job of encapsulating any exposed wood.

[GOB]

This talk about mpg is really ticking me off as it has been a stickler for me since I got the boat. I keep it fully loaded in fuel and water and I get very radical consumption figures, none which match published figures or what others here have posted. I have had my engines checked by the local Yamaha dealer and they are running as they should be (not rich which would help me explain my substantial fuel consumption).

As an example, when I do very short trips (12 nm each way) at 4500 rpms doing 28 knots, 2 adults, 2 kids, very little else onboard, gauge indicates 22-23 gph, but when I get back to the dock and refuel, I can manage to put 36 gallons of fuel back in! That yields me ± 0.67 mpg

That said, I have been on longer trips (±200nm) with 4 adults, full of fuel, ice, water, food, fishing gear, etc. and we averaged ±1.05 mpg (still way off figures mentioned above, and we did not refuel, so on the run back home we had ±60 gallons in the tank).

Yet another example was of going twice to the short round trip (total 48 nm) plus a fishing day (4 adults, did not refuel from the 2 short trips, little ice, not much gear) and in that refill, it was right about 1 mpg

Could anyone please indicate to me what could potentially be going on?

[albiewhore23]

GOB - 28 burning 23 at 4500 was exactly where i cruised

are you sure the tank was completely full when you left? my boat always listed a little at rest (annoyed the crap out of me) maybe yours lists too and theres an air pocket in the corner of the gas tank and its not really filling up all the way all the time?

[GOB]

Albiewhore23: mine does not list at all. In multiple trips, it has taken exactly 36 gallons on that 24 mile trip. Same person (ex captain) filled it each time. What we have found out is that it takes more fuel when its fueled at the dock instead of the trailer where its always kept. Weird. In any case, I have never gotten any mpg close to what others here claim (1.3 - 1.5). If I got that kind of mileage, my use would definitely go up and longer!

For reference, below is the fuel consumption figures as per Pursuit for the 3070 using 225s.