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Old 11-15-2009, 02:43 PM
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I got a 1990 VX 250,twin tanks with a brass valve. I filled up the aux. tank 2 weeks ago for the 1st time and was gonna use that fuel today. (the tank was cleaned prior to) never had an issue. I went to use her today and the bulb won't fill. She was looking a little worn so I replaced her. I still could not get her to pump. I swapped her back to main tank and still the same thing. I kept squeezing and trying to start her and bam it was like a plug of crap came loose and it filled. I started the motor, she kept starting and dying. Finally she fired and ran 30 mins. and died and bulb went soft again. It will not refill
I have checked and tightened all connections and looked for leaks. The handle was a little loose on the tank valve so I tightened the main nut and then the handle was hard to turn. The boat has never had e10 in her ever, strictly marina fuel from Oniels marina in St.Pete The onlt thing that makes sense to me is that tank switching valve is somehow bad..... what do you guys think? It is the original I believe, the boat is a 1990 GW Gulfstream.

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Did you change your fuel filters? If so, you might want to add some fuel to them.. I always fill mine up when I put new filters in. Without fuel in them, you will be pumping til your blue in the face to get fuel through the system.
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Did you change your fuel filters? If so, you might want to add some fuel to them.. I always fill mine up when I put new filters in. Without fuel in them, you will be pumping til your blue in the face to get fuel through the system.

Hey, How's Simi Valley. I just moved from there in May. I lived on Asia Court.

Thanks for the help but the fuel filters were done in August, when I bought the boat.
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Hey, How's Simi Valley. I just moved from there in May. I lived on Asia Court.

Thanks for the help but the fuel filters were done in August, when I bought the boat.
Simi is Simi.. Not much new to report here. I'm off First and Fitzgerald on Borden. Its windy for a change today! Where did you move to? Fl?

I should have read more thoroughly.. I missed the part about the plug of crap.. I would also verify that there are no obstructions in the engines fuel system that could have passed through the hose. You could disconnect the fuel line from the engine, sqeeze the bulb and see if you can get some fuel through the lines. If it were me and the fuel lines were old, I would probably go through and replace all the hoses for piece of mind. I did that on my boat last year just for piece of mind. Heck, fuel filters are cheap enough too. Some time, fuel hose and bloody knuckles..

On the valve.. I can't comment. I had brass valves freeze up but when they do, you cant turn the handle.
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Simi is Simi.. Not much new to report here. I'm off First and Fitzgerald on Borden. Its windy for a change today! Where did you move to? Fl?

I should have read more thoroughly.. I missed the part about the plug of crap.. I would also verify that there are no obstructions in the engines fuel system that could have passed through the hose. You could disconnect the fuel line from the engine, sqeeze the bulb and see if you can get some fuel through the lines. If it were me and the fuel lines were old, I would probably go through and replace all the hoses for piece of mind. I did that on my boat last year just for piece of mind. Heck, fuel filters are cheap enough too. Some time, fuel hose and bloody knuckles..

On the valve.. I can't comment. I had brass valves freeze up but when they do, you cant turn the handle.
I have done all of that, I pulled the bowl off of engine filter and pumped for 20 min, nada. The hoses are only a couple yrs old as per previous owner and the look pretty new. I think I will puchase a new valve tomorrow and some clamps and redo all connections and see where that gets me.

I moved back to tampa, I was in Ca. for 5 yrs 3 yrs in Calabassas and 2 in Simi. My wife was a hot shot for Countrywide.. I was building projects at Pierce College. Her job died and mine was a comin too so we bailed while we could.

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I would replace the fuel lines & bulb. I had a problem where the interior of the hose broke down & would not let fuel pass.
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I would take the gas cap off to make sure there is no venting issue. Next I would hook a temporary line from a portable small gas can to the ball and verify the ball pumps up and the motor runs ok. Then I would pull the line coming from the tank off of the selector valve and hook it directly to the ball to check for a problem in the selector.
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I would replace the fuel lines & bulb. I had a problem where the interior of the hose broke down & would not let fuel pass.

Would it not then airlock and the bulb would collapse?
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I have done all of that, I pulled the bowl off of engine filter and pumped for 20 min, nada. The hoses are only a couple yrs old as per previous owner and the look pretty new. I think I will puchase a new valve tomorrow and some clamps and redo all connections and see where that gets me.

I moved back to tampa, I was in Ca. for 5 yrs 3 yrs in Calabassas and 2 in Simi. My wife was a hot shot for Countrywide.. I was building projects at Pierce College. Her job died and mine was a comin too so we bailed while we could.

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My wife was an Exec Assistant at Country Wide in Calabasas until last year. I wonder if they knew eachother..

I took a course or 2 at "UC" Pierce back in the late 80's! Small world... Wish I could get out of LA!! I'm jealous!!
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My wife was an Exec Assistant at Country Wide in Calabasas until last year. I wonder if they knew eachother..

I took a course or 2 at "UC" Peirce back in the late 80's! Small world... Wish I could get out of LA!! I'm jealous!!
My wife's name is Diana Dipronio.....Yeah Ca had a novelty about her but it wore off after 2 yrs. The water is alot more usable here in Fla.
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My wife's name is Diana Dipronio.....Yeah Ca had a novelty about her but it wore off after 2 yrs. The water is alot more usable here in Fla.
She doesnt recognize the name.. Mine's Kimberly Leif.. You definately have it good out there with the water.. I think I could live without hurricanes though.
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She doesnt recognize the name.. Mine's Kimberly Leif.. You definately have it good out there with the water.. I think I could live without hurricanes though.
Atleast you know they are coming, unlike those shakers
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Isolate and eliminate - do that to each part of the system - I would look first at anything was done different, like the other tank maybe. Isolate each section....and narrow it down - I would first blow back through it and make sure each is clear and you hear bubbles.
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Change the bulb. Disconnect the hose to the motor. Squeeze bulb, aim hose into a container to catch fuel. If no fuel pumping, start with hose behind bulb and work your way back. I had a defective bulb on a brand new motor after 10hrs. That's all it was.
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Squeeze Bulbs need to be oriented vertical, with the 'arrow' pointed up, to work properly.

The plastic 'check-valves' within them often don't seal well in horizontal orientation and won't pump.
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Well now that alot of help coming from a senior member, a$$wipe if you don't have anything worth adding, don't add at all....

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there is a check valve where the hose connects to the tank usually brass has a ball and spring inside and acts as a check valve, might want to check it
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Since everything was original, I replaced all hoses from the vents to the engine, thru hull vents, the tanks selector and a yamaha grade primer bulb. The cost in parts was $225. 2 hrs labor later a couple of squeezes and she filled. The motor fired right up. I still never found the anti siphon valves at either tank.I really don't know what culprit it was, but I suspect it was the tank selector, she was in prett bad shape.
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