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For all of you commenting that a 5000# hull weight for this boat isn't a ride negative you have not been on good sea boats in bad weather. I don't care what the deadrise is or the fact that it is a Jannace design, a light boat cannot stay in the water when things get ugly. The hull weight is very important to the ride. Yes, the technology exists to build super light boats but that doesn't mean that they are not going to come flying out of the water long before a similar sized heavy boat. Think about the best riding 32 foot Flybridge boats and then tell me which ones were anywhere near this light. The boat is a loser in anything over 3' because it can't stay in the water, capable speed is a fun number for this concept on those two days a year when it's flat calm.
Besides the 35 Cabo Fly bridge is at 20,000lb per the website. I don't know anybody that has complained about that boats ride?????
Boy, you must of skipped class that day, most complained loudly about the hard ride of the 35' Cabo. Cabo even acknowledged it by re-designing the hull of the 35 in an attempt to make it ride better. Even today, the 35 Cabo is not known as a good riding boat by anyone I know that has ever been on one. Better than the original hull but still below average. Please don't tell me about the wiring in a Cabo, wiring doesn't make a boat ride good.
The Mirage 32 is not the most attractive boat from the drawing. Maybe the finished product will be better.
I am not an engineer and I do not profess to be an expert in hull designs but unless this is a typo it does not seem right. My 31 Contender Fisharound weighs 6000# dry and they claim just under 12K ready to fish. I do not know how a 32' flybridge boat could weigh less and if it does I would like to see some sea trial results. Someone smarter than me said there is no replacement for displacement!
I would love to see this with a single IPS or Zeus setup. No, I'm not on crack and fully aware that would defeat much of the IPS/Zeus benefit (on hook, joystick control, etc) but you would still benefit (I think) from less drag (compared to an inboard or even dual IPS/Zeus setup), reduced weight and possibly more cabin space. Similar to the benefits of a single diesel I/O but with the ability for more hp (Volvo limits their diesel I/o to 370 hp). Maneuverability would certainly suffer but a bow thruster would help.
And for those who think you can't design a hull to handle a single IPS/Zeus, take a look at the pics of the triple IPS setup on the 56 Freedom boatworks:
more weight, more fuel...less weight, less fuel - sportscar vs pickup truck...
Sportscar vs pickup truck...which is better?
guys - i have a 31 blackfin / northcoast. The "advertized weight" was 12,000 lbs. but the actual wieght of that boat loaded is over 18,000lbs w/ the Cat 3208T engines, tuna tower, 350 gallons of fuel, saftey equipment and tackle...does not include weight of 6 guys with bait and ice when going fishing. Also a Jannace deep-V. Runs 23kts at 2400 RPM burning 25 gallons per hour..., .9 miles per gallon. Do i love the ride?...SURE...not as thrilled when pulling into the fuel dock. I spoke to jannace - these blackfins were never designed to be this heavy - but that weight and big engines is what people wanted and that is how Blackfin marketed and sold them. Back in the early 90's fuel was a buck a gallon.
I've also spend lots of hours on the mirage 32. It was a great riding boat - smooth running and dry. W/ twin 230hp volvo diesel I/Os it was fast - 28++knot cruise...buring about 18 gallons per hour. About 1.5 miles per gallon. Was like driving a sportscar vs my blackin...a pickup truck. Is one better? that's not even the question is it?
The new boat, which i have seen the plans for, is a lot like the old one. Cored, light, fast...with added fuel efficiency from IPS drives and wider chines. the 5000lb weight is a "dry" number. Throw in the engines, saftey equipment hardtop/tower, 300 gallons of fuel, 30 gallons of fresh water, 5 guys to go fishing with all their bait, ice and beer and the boat will weight closer to 10,000lbs. Won't ride like my blackfin - on purpose! That doesn't make it a "loser" - especially at the fuel dock when fuel is 4-5 bucks a gallon, this will be a great option. I don't hear anyone calling the lightwight center consoles (yellowfins, regulators etc) "bad-riding" just because they are light.
The 31 bertrams, which weight between 10-13000lbs were considered light, fast, fuel efficient. The cabins were small, the bridge even smaller, the ride extremely wet and somewhat bumpy in headseas due to their lightness and full bow section...- and yet - somehow they managed a 26year prduction run and sold 2000++ copies.
If you are looking for a wavesmashing heavy boat that needs huge HP to run 25kts and burns 25-30 gallons an hour doing it - this boat will probably not be for you - there are plenty of guys who make those. If you want a more fuel efficient design, with a hull that will still treat you right...this will be a great option
Boy, you must of skipped class that day, most complained loudly about the hard ride of the 35' Cabo. Cabo even acknowledged it by re-designing the hull of the 35 in an attempt to make it ride better. Even today, the 35 Cabo is not known as a good riding boat by anyone I know that has ever been on one. Better than the original hull but still below average. Please don't tell me about the wiring in a Cabo, wiring doesn't make a boat ride good.
The Mirage 32 is not the most attractive boat from the drawing. Maybe the finished product will be better.
JAGSAGE1.
I must have missed that day of school; however I did pass my eye exam in school. If the Cabo 35 ride is so bad, as you say, how come I see so many of those high priced boats on the water? They have also expanded the line over the years significantly? In regards to the wiring I was not suggesting the cleanness of the wire but that it adds weight as well as other mentioned items. Question for ya, if the Cabo is such bad ride, in your expert opinion as you have been around the block in the site, who would you pick?
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I must have missed that day of school; however I did pass my eye exam in school. If the Cabo 35 ride is so bad, as you say, how come I see so many of those high priced boats on the water? They have also expanded the line over the years significantly? In regards to the wiring I was not suggesting the cleanness of the wire but that it adds weight as well as other mentioned items. Question for ya, if the Cabo is such bad ride, in your expert opinion as you have been around the block in the site, who would you pick?
I will say that 35 Cabos are a pleasure to own and fish however they do ride very hard. Like Parker hard. Most of their other models ride great.
Ris-k, I suggest you listen to what Jags is telling you, There are of course 10 times the amount of searays out there than Cabo's, they must be better. This isn't a thread about cabo, but they are one of the best built and have the best fit and finish, also amenities. It is that round bow the lets the amenities be there, that is why it shouldn't even be in this thread, it won't compare.
Sleeper, search some history the Raj 31, which is the 32 blackfins grandfather (as stated by Charles Jannace) original tested weight was 12000 fully loaded. It wasn't till blackfin wanted to save money and use wood for coring which made it heavier, which in turns means bigger motors and more fuel, more weight. You get the drift, it all adds up.
My point is it obviously was a misprint on the weight, but the original Raj was built the exact same way.
With all that being said I 100% agree with Jay's original statement.
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I'm no boat designer either but I fully concur with the sportscar vs pickup discussion.
I have appreciated these boats ride and efficiency for the past 10 years. My 29' Mirage w/ twin 230hp diesels cruises 30 knots and gets 2nmpg. The 32' Mirage I recently purchased currently cruises at 25 knots at 3.0-3.5 nmpg. Once I repower it with a Volvo D6 370hp I hope to be at 32 knots at 2.5-3 nmpg. I fish 40-50 miles offshore every trip and have no complaints about how the hull performs. Mirage 32' re-commisioning project Mirage Sportfish 29’ w/ twin diesel 230HP Volvos - Reduced again to 38k
Last edited by mirage-gnv; 11-12-2009 at 07:43 PM.
I think it is hard to make a real FB boat out of 32'. Proportions wouldn't look right to me, probably a bit top heavy and more than likely would have a small bridge.
wait for this to come for real
in 75% of cases builders are overly optimistic in weight especially when using core materials, when it comes to reality it will weight much more
we had a similar scenario by a European builder in 2007 who for its new 55 footer Sport Yacht with twin IPS promised 10 tons of weigt and 35 knots + of speed, the official version ended up being a 14 ton and and minus 35 knots of speed
Agree 100% with Sea Nile. Boat is too short to get the right aesthetic. Deck house needs certain height for headroom. 36 is the minimum length for that style. Look at old Merritt (37) and 36 Rybovich, thin they got it right back then.
I think it is hard to make a real FB boat out of 32'. Proportions wouldn't look right to me, probably a bit top heavy and more than likely would have a small bridge.
--JK
SeaNile,
Would you mind sending me a short PM on your boat? I love the open fishing space.
For all of you commenting that a 5000# hull weight for this boat isn't a ride negative you have not been on good sea boats in bad weather. I don't care what the deadrise is or the fact that it is a Jannace design, a light boat cannot stay in the water when things get ugly. The hull weight is very important to the ride. Yes, the technology exists to build super light boats but that doesn't mean that they are not going to come flying out of the water long before a similar sized heavy boat. Think about the best riding 32 foot Flybridge boats and then tell me which ones were anywhere near this light. The boat is a loser in anything over 3' because it can't stay in the water, capable speed is a fun number for this concept on those two days a year when it's flat calm.
I agree 100%
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Move along, nothing to see here.
Boy, you must of skipped class that day, most complained loudly about the hard ride of the 35' Cabo. Cabo even acknowledged it by re-designing the hull of the 35 in an attempt to make it ride better. Even today, the 35 Cabo is not known as a good riding boat by anyone I know that has ever been on one. Better than the original hull but still below average. Please don't tell me about the wiring in a Cabo, wiring doesn't make a boat ride good.
So true.... I had one for a year or so, and that boat would shake fillings loose, and you would damn near need a mask and snorkel to run it without the eisenglass. Very well built and beautifully rigged boats, but the ride really sucked.
My 34 mirage tips the truck scale with trailer tower no fuel
at 11000lb I can hold up to 500 gallons of fuel
dryiest boat I have ever been on
I run with 275 gallons 200lb of ice and a 100 gallon Live well
great ride great boat well see what they can do with this new rig.
Blackfin in background
