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Old 11-13-2009, 10:19 AM   #41
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Here is a list of all documented boats called ABSOLUTELY, no 63' Bertrams so the documentation has not reached the office where it is filed.

Vessel NameBuiltServiceHome PortLengthDoc. No.1.ABSOLUTELY1981RecreationalHumarock40.36369922.ABSOLUTELY1983RecreationalMeriden30.36676773.ABSOLUTELY1972RecreationalEast Islip366740814.ABSOLUTELY1987RecreationalTampa33.39266135.ABSOLUTELY1988RecreationalEdgewater39.59388206.ABSOLUTELY1989RecreationalPhiladelphia25.99574327.ABSOLUTELY1987RecreationalSacramento37.59695718.ABSOLUTELY1991RecreationalFt Lauderdale85.89727689.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalFoxboro37.5103866610.ABSOLUTELY1996RecreationalWoodbridge39.4104532211.ABSOLUTELY1996RecreationalFort Lauderdale49.4104681812.ABSOLUTELY1998RecreationalRichmond34.1106457513.ABSOLUTELY1997RecreationalBoston61.5107698414.ABSOLUTELY2000RecreationalApollo Beach34.7110447615.ABSOLUTELY2000RecreationalEllicott City39.2111786316.ABSOLUTELY2001RecreationalRiverside29.9112201217.ABSOLUTELY2002RecreationalMiami36.8113098718.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalChannel Islands36.3114816819.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalBenicia40.5114941920.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalHarrison Township45.2115346121.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalHatteras28.7116701222.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalHyannis33.5116766423.ABSOLUTELY2004RecreationalSt Augustine45.3117047724.ABSOLUTELY2003RecreationalLake Tahoe38.7117636525.ABSOLUTELY2000RecreationalCharleston34.5118761826.ABSOLUTELY2005RecreationalWheeling35.8118921327.ABSOLUTELY2007RecreationalNewport34120511428.ABSOLUTELY2007RecreationalMalibu29120804529.ABSOLUTELYRecreationalWindham64121536130.ABSOLUTELY2009RecreationalMadison33.61223019
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OK, that did not come out good from a format standpoint. Just trust me that there is no documented 63 Bert on the list.
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:42 AM   #43
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might be we have to wait for it to go up to know what it is
unless someone knows the crew here
that Yachtworld Bertram 630 from 2006 seems still on the list, and usually the US brokers are the most efficient to update there YW page like Sale Pending Sold etc, or may be it was just a transfer to another MarineMax dealer down South
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apparently Bertram confirmed it is a 630 but also said the boat hit something

on YF someone also posted these sea condition state at the time, ugly to say the least, with someone also saying thats ships in the area needing help from tug boats etc

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Detailed Wave Summary
for 44066 as of (5:00 pm EST)
2200 GMT on 11/13/2009:
These wave data are displayed in rounded times.


Significant Wave Height (WVHT): 24.3 ft
Swell Height (SwH): 16.7 ft
Swell Period (SwP): 12.9 sec
Wind Wave Height (WWH): 17.4 ft
Wind Wave Period (WWP): 9.1 sec
Wave Steepness (STEEPNESS): AVERAGE
Average Wave Period (APD): 8.4 sec
Previous observations
MM DD TIME
(EST) WVHT
ft SwHft SwPsec SwD WWHft WWPsec WWD STEEPNESS APD sec
11 13 4:00 pm 26.2 18.7 12.1 N/A 18.4 7.7 N/A STEEP 8.7
11 13 3:00 pm 28.5 22.3 12.9 N/A 18.0 10.0 N/A AVERAGE 9.2
11 13 2:00 pm 23.6 17.7 12.9 N/A 15.7 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 1:00 pm 24.6 21.0 12.9 N/A 12.8 6.2 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 12:00 pm 22.0 16.1 12.1 N/A 15.4 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.0
11 13 11:00 am 19.7 12.5 10.8 N/A 15.1 9.1 N/A STEEP 7.8
11 13 10:00 am 22.6 16.7 12.9 N/A 15.4 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.3
11 13 9:00 am 25.3 21.0 12.9 N/A 14.4 8.3 N/A AVERAGE 8.6
11 13 8:00 am 23.9 16.1 12.1 N/A 17.7 7.7 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 7:00 am 23.3 16.1 12.9 N/A 17.1 10.0 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 6:00 am 22.6 15.1 12.1 N/A 16.7 7.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.2
11 13 5:00 am 25.3 17.7 12.9 N/A 17.7 7.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.6
11 13 4:00 am 26.2 17.1 12.9 N/A 20.0 10.8 N/A AVERAGE 8.7
11 13 3:00 am 25.3 15.4 12.1 N/A 20.3 8.3 N/A STEEP 8.5
11 13 2:00 am 25.6 19.0 12.1 N/A 17.1 6.7 N/A STEEP 8.6
11 13 1:00 am 22.0 16.4 12.1 N/A 14.8 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.1
11 13 12:00 am 22.0 13.5 10.8 N/A 17.1 9.1 N/A STEEP 8.0
11 12 11:00 pm 25.3 16.7 12.1 N/A 18.7 10.0 N/A STEEP 8.6
11 12 10:00 pm 23.3 13.5 12.1 N/A 19.0 10.8 N/A AVERAGE 8.2
11 12 9:00 pm 22.0 17.1 10.8 N/A 14.1 8.3 N/A STEEP 8.1
11 12 8:00 pm 22.6 17.1 10.8 N/A 15.1 5.3 N/A STEEP 8.1
11 12 7:00 pm 22.6 16.1 10.0 N/A 15.7 6.2 N/A STEEP 7.9
11 12 6:00 pm 21.3 12.5 11.4 N/A 17.1 7.1 N/A STEEP 7.8
11 12 5:00 pm 24.3 13.1 12.1 N/A 20.3 10.8 N/A STEEP 8.2

Plot of wave energy versus frequency (and period)
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I read on another site that a shaft broke off.
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:16 AM   #46
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apparently Bertram confirmed it is a 630 but also said the boat hit something

on YF someone also posted these sea condition state at the time, ugly to say the least, with someone also saying thats ships in the area needing help from tug boats etc

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Detailed Wave Summary
for 44066 as of (5:00 pm EST)
2200 GMT on 11/13/2009:
These wave data are displayed in rounded times.


Significant Wave Height (WVHT): 24.3 ft
Swell Height (SwH): 16.7 ft
Swell Period (SwP): 12.9 sec
Wind Wave Height (WWH): 17.4 ft
Wind Wave Period (WWP): 9.1 sec
Wave Steepness (STEEPNESS): AVERAGE
Average Wave Period (APD): 8.4 sec
Previous observations
MM DD TIME
(EST) WVHT
ft SwHft SwPsec SwD WWHft WWPsec WWD STEEPNESS APD sec
11 13 4:00 pm 26.2 18.7 12.1 N/A 18.4 7.7 N/A STEEP 8.7
11 13 3:00 pm 28.5 22.3 12.9 N/A 18.0 10.0 N/A AVERAGE 9.2
11 13 2:00 pm 23.6 17.7 12.9 N/A 15.7 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 1:00 pm 24.6 21.0 12.9 N/A 12.8 6.2 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 12:00 pm 22.0 16.1 12.1 N/A 15.4 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.0
11 13 11:00 am 19.7 12.5 10.8 N/A 15.1 9.1 N/A STEEP 7.8
11 13 10:00 am 22.6 16.7 12.9 N/A 15.4 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.3
11 13 9:00 am 25.3 21.0 12.9 N/A 14.4 8.3 N/A AVERAGE 8.6
11 13 8:00 am 23.9 16.1 12.1 N/A 17.7 7.7 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 7:00 am 23.3 16.1 12.9 N/A 17.1 10.0 N/A AVERAGE 8.5
11 13 6:00 am 22.6 15.1 12.1 N/A 16.7 7.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.2
11 13 5:00 am 25.3 17.7 12.9 N/A 17.7 7.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.6
11 13 4:00 am 26.2 17.1 12.9 N/A 20.0 10.8 N/A AVERAGE 8.7
11 13 3:00 am 25.3 15.4 12.1 N/A 20.3 8.3 N/A STEEP 8.5
11 13 2:00 am 25.6 19.0 12.1 N/A 17.1 6.7 N/A STEEP 8.6
11 13 1:00 am 22.0 16.4 12.1 N/A 14.8 9.1 N/A AVERAGE 8.1
11 13 12:00 am 22.0 13.5 10.8 N/A 17.1 9.1 N/A STEEP 8.0
11 12 11:00 pm 25.3 16.7 12.1 N/A 18.7 10.0 N/A STEEP 8.6
11 12 10:00 pm 23.3 13.5 12.1 N/A 19.0 10.8 N/A AVERAGE 8.2
11 12 9:00 pm 22.0 17.1 10.8 N/A 14.1 8.3 N/A STEEP 8.1
11 12 8:00 pm 22.6 17.1 10.8 N/A 15.1 5.3 N/A STEEP 8.1
11 12 7:00 pm 22.6 16.1 10.0 N/A 15.7 6.2 N/A STEEP 7.9
11 12 6:00 pm 21.3 12.5 11.4 N/A 17.1 7.1 N/A STEEP 7.8
11 12 5:00 pm 24.3 13.1 12.1 N/A 20.3 10.8 N/A STEEP 8.2

Plot of wave energy versus frequency (and period)
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Yes we just went through a north easter here that seemed to last lonbger then most. but the 6th was nothing out of the ordinary rough ocean. When looking at that bertram that delaminated before on tht the core was all the way to the chine and the chine is a foot deep below waterline where it delaminated. So I guess you stretched the truth when you said bertrams are not cored below waterline too.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:39 AM   #47
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All these underwater lights look cool but through hull fittings are the #1 cause of boat sinking, not counting accidents and weather
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Its better to be cool than to stay on top of the water.

I just installed a pair of through hull underwater lights and if a there was a issue and you went up on step you would not sink. Not even close. The lights are out of the water when running on the transom. Very few sporties install the lights that run on the sides of the hull. Whats next you don't install a quality transducer out of fear?

Shaft seals or seacocks are a much more realistic cause of failure or hitting a object.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:56 AM   #48
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hey Bly I dont work with Bertram but to my knowledge even that 630 which delaminated had core above the waterline and some technical people confirmed it over here
the 630 which sank is also older as it is a 2006, I think for a 2 million boat the insurance might be interested to salvage her so we might know more about this
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it is not the same 63 that had the section of hull peeled away, I dont think it was documented either because it was heading to Florida to go on a ship and be taken overseas.

It did come from a local dealer here, this is all I know of it.
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The boat is being raised on monday. Crew has lawyered up.
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boat is in 70' of water... 24 miles from Murrells Inlet, SC.
Prop shaft broke... water poured in were the shaft should have been.
Boat US does not have any bags big enugh to raise it.

Might be its final resting place. Figure the numbers i got should be holding fish in about 3 years.
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boat is in 70' of water... 24 miles from Murrells Inlet, SC.
Prop shaft broke... water poured in were the shaft should have been.
Boat US does not have any bags big enugh to raise it.

Might be its final resting place. Figure the numbers i got should be holding fish in about 3 years.

Someones going to go get it. Assuming the boat is in one piece with only a shaft, the salvage value alone is over $300k for such a late model boat.
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The boat is being raised on monday. Crew has lawyered up.
Anyone have recent news if boat was raised and findings?
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Someones going to go get it. Assuming the boat is in one piece with only a shaft, the salvage value alone is over $300k for such a late model boat.
Yes, look for it on ebay!
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I wonder where the information comes from?

broken prop shafts, people getting lawyers, etc..

what is your source for this information as it seems to be the only people who know why the boat sunk are the 2 captains that were on it at the time?
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Take a look at this:
http://www.thesunnews.com/classified-ads/ad/661128

Everyone is lawyering up on this one. It will be interesting to hear what really happened.....that is if the owner sees fit to let the reason become known.
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The night it went down and got a call from a buddy to see if i wanted to go and help look for it. Info coming from him... he works for Boat U.S. Could be B.S.?
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what I see stange in all this, if there is smoke in it, and that is a big IF as the statue of liberty
is why would someone buy a boat to sink a few days after?
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"Absolutely" incredible...
I've got an engine room cam ($150) and a high water bilge alarm on my old boat- and they don't see the need to outfit a mulitmillion dollar sportie with this cheap and basic equipment? Hard to believe.

Sealing off a shaft log would have been simple enough...
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Rum Runner, Im out of Little River; do you mind PM'in me those numbers? I havnt beeen back down there since this happened, do you know if any barges from NMB/Little River have gone down to help?
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