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I think you are absolutely correct and Bud put the wrong wheels on these motors. I will call the factory Monday. I believe they need to be exchanged immediately.
I think you are absolutely correct and Bud put the wrong wheels on these motors. I will call the factory Monday. I believe they need to be exchanged immediately.
Thanks
- Dale
Sorry, I'm comming in a little late on this but did call our customer service folks and Jm was looking for your call that actually went to Faron, which is fine. Jim was alerted to it, Faron was not. That's ok.
I recieved copies of the E's this morning Bob's and yours.
I spoke with both Jim and Faron also speaker phone this morning.
I think it could be best for this to go to Mario at DAVEY. They're very good.
We cant determine why your turning 1000 or so less than you should with the HONDA'S over the phone. It appears you have the correct props on the motors, thus my initial guess was wrong. Obviously something is amiss.
Sounds like some hands on is required, thus Tommy or one of the DAVEY guys I think is appropriate.
Give it a few days. Let them get the show broken down and the dust to seattle some and call Mario, Ok?
Get hold of me any time you wish, but this looks more motor issues, or something other than the fiberglass, so I think input from some very good wrench spinners is going to help more.
I dont mean anything by this but you are asking a lot out of 450 hp on a 32' express boat. I think you will need some custom props in the 13" to 15" pitch range to push that boat with just 2 225's. Who recomended that power choice anyway?
I dont mean anything by this but you are asking a lot out of 450 hp on a 32' express boat. I think you will need some custom props in the 13" to 15" pitch range to push that boat with just 2 225's. Who recomended that power choice anyway?
Even with the right props you will be lucky to get 42-44mph. The 32' is a BIG boat for 225's
.....we have a solution to an answer.
Maybe not a solution to the problem, an answer to the problem.
That sounded a little strange didn't it?
He's hooked up with a very good guy in a marina next to where his boat is.
Spoke to the customer today on the phone, met with the man at the marina, a very good and experianced guy, and they hooked up.
It's for sure not a prop issue.
.....we have a solution to an answer.
Maybe not a solution to the problem, an answer to the problem.
That sounded a little strange didn't it?
He's hooked up with a very good guy in a marina next to where his boat is.
Spoke to the customer today on the phone, met with the man at the marina, a very good and experianced guy, and they hooked up.
It's for sure not a prop issue.
That was a question we had.
No, it does not appear so.
Max HP with HONDA'S is 225 H.P.
They're great outboard motors.
Very little question about that.
Lacking in H.P. though.
We're going to tough it thru, try to make him satisfied.
That was a question we had.
No, it does not appear so.
Max HP with HONDA'S is 225 H.P.
They're great outboard motors.
Very little question about that.
Lacking in H.P. though.
We're going to tough it thru, try to make him satisfied.
I have seen a ProLine 32 with Twin 250 Vrods, crusing about 30-33mph. In the intercoastal.
They should get that boat to about 40mph. Are they triming the motors???
I have seen a ProLine 32 with Twin 250 Vrods, crusing about 30-33mph. In the intercoastal.
They should get that boat to about 40mph. Are they triming the motors???
Sure, twin 250 VERADO'S are right close to 50 MPH at speed.
Easy cruise at low to mid 30's.
The 225 HONDA'S are heavy and slow.
Still, right at 40 WOT.
Light load that's what we have on our reports.
I hooked the customer up with a very good marina and HONDA authorized dealer in the Keys where his boat is kept. I know this dealer. He has an impeccable track record. No, he doe's not sell my product, but is wlling to help. So, we're trying to get it resolved as fast as we can. I only heard about the problem last Friday or Saturday and was tied up with the Lauderdale show til Monday. Yesterday, Tuesday, I got the two togeather and think it'll be resolved. Hope so anyway.
Dude........leave it up to the experts on the spot that are working on this issue. i.e. the boat owner and wrench man at the marina. You aint gonna troubleshoot it over the internet!
Mike seems to have this well under control as per his normal excellent customer service approach.
Depends on the hull type also i have a 356 intrepid hard top full enclosure full of fuel 300 gals and gear , powerd by a pair 225 opti's i hit 40 knts, 75 gals of fuel and no fihing gear puts me at 43 knts
Dude........leave it up to the experts on the spot that are working on this issue. i.e. the boat owner and wrench man at the marina. You aint gonna troubleshoot it over the internet!
Mike seems to have this well under control as per his normal excellent customer service approach.
Please keep us posted....If its a new purchase, shouldn't this slowness be discovered on a sea trial? BTW, does anyone know of a good pre-formatted checklist for a sea trial to help uncover any issues? Boats I'm looking at are leftovers/demos with warranty, so a survey is overkill, but a checklist would be helpful.
Please keep us posted....If its a new purchase, shouldn't this slowness be discovered on a sea trial? BTW, does anyone know of a good pre-formatted checklist for a sea trial to help uncover any issues? Boats I'm looking at are leftovers/demos with warranty, so a survey is overkill, but a checklist would be helpful.
In this case, yes it was a new boat purchase.
The customer is experianced but not in the type.
The original sea trial, about 2 1/2 yrs ago went well for the customer but the boat ran 32 MPH and the customer just didn't realize that it was running a little slower than it should. Also didn't realize it was underturning. He thought all was about normal.
At the Lauderdale show in discussions with HONDA as to the RPM'S and with us he realized for the first time it was underreving and slower than it should be. That's how all this began.
So, the initial discussion went, of course, to the wrong props. We have established the boat has the correct props. Fowled bottom? Yes, it is bottom painted but the customer reports that all was the same when brand new and no bottom paint. Motors are in the correct holes.
By telephone we've had two customer service guys, a very good guy from engineering, and me involved.
Lots of theories and internal discussion about it. So far a few 12 packs bet internally as to the final answer, but until we know from the service tech at the marina, it's all still talk.
The operator of the marina has been a competitor and friend for years. He immediatly agreed to look at it and help which is greatly appreciated.
It's not going to do much more tha it already is as to top end. Maybe mid to high 30's because of the bottom paint. Big question is the 1000 underreving of the motors.
I have my theory, Bob from our engineering dept has his, one of us is going to be ahead a 12 pk.
The customer is a very nice guy, had no idea it was underreving
In this case, yes it was a new boat purchase.
The customer is experianced but not in the type.
The original sea trial, about 2 1/2 yrs ago went well for the customer but the boat ran 32 MPH and the customer just didn't realize that it was running a little slower than it should. Also didn't realize it was underturning. He thought all was about normal.
At the Lauderdale show in discussions with HONDA as to the RPM'S and with us he realized for the first time it was underreving and slower than it should be. That's how all this began.
So, the initial discussion went, of course, to the wrong props. We have established the boat has the correct props. Fowled bottom? Yes, it is bottom painted but the customer reports that all was the same when brand new and no bottom paint. Motors are in the correct holes.
By telephone we've had two customer service guys, a very good guy from engineering, and me involved.
Lots of theories and internal discussion about it. So far a few 12 packs bet internally as to the final answer, but until we know from the service tech at the marina, it's all still talk.
The operator of the marina has been a competitor and friend for years. He immediatly agreed to look at it and help which is greatly appreciated.
It's not going to do much more tha it already is as to top end. Maybe mid to high 30's because of the bottom paint. Big question is the 1000 underreving of the motors.
I have my theory, Bob from our engineering dept has his, one of us is going to be ahead a 12 pk.
The customer is a very nice guy, had no idea it was underreving
The Honda has a 1.86 gear and that with a big blade 17 p marige props on a boat not expecting to get 40 mph, cant see how that could be the right prop??? 17p props are usally matched up with boats that have a top end in the mid 40's with a 1.86 gear ratio... I wish you all luck on finding the problem and the fix...
Great feed back on the issue guys. I will run it with the tech on Saturday morning. My main concern is that the motors run WOT at an RPM that makes them happy. If I had wanted a 55 mph speed merchant I would have kept my Mako 284. The wife kinda likes the A/C, V-berth and such in the 32.
Like a lotta guys, WOT is not a normal throttle setting for me. But, we will have some initial diagnosis to share with y'all Saturday night. I have full faith and confidence in the boys at both factories.
32 Proline Express Prop Test Results
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