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Rudmover, What would you do with his real name? What does it matter? Heck you even have a username. I dont care or want to know the real names but I do think what they all have to say is interesting. I wouldnt side with Sailor but I have to agree with what he has written.
Rudmover, are you going to punch everyone in the nose you think is not telling the truth? What reason would Sailor and I lie for? I have no need to lie at all. I, myself have felt the bite of Maxweld Boats too and I am very angry over it. Very angry! So back off! You keep demanding my name, but you seem to avoid my questions. So, again, I ask, why did they pack up everything and high tail it out of their town? Why not stay in their home and take care of things properly?
I'm not here to speak for Debbie and Andy and I can only speculate why they moved, maybe being in a town where the person you see smiling at you in the store is at home anonomously spreading the gospal of your demise online might not appeal to them.
I'm not looking to "punch" anyone and I've had my say this is really eating at me if you could'nt tell. I was raised in a fishing and logging world where men look you in the eye and say what they have to say or they keep thier mouth shut. I know thats not the world we live in today. I think I will take the advice given earlier and step away from here, Its obvious to me that my pressence here is more antagonistic than constructive since everyone I'm argueing with seems to be avoiding my whole point.
CHAD LARIMORE
Last edited by rudmover; 12-12-2009 at 09:31 AM.
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I think that this has proven to be a healthy discussion. I also feel that rudmover has taken a very noble position in his attempts to protect his brother in law's name. Is there some degree of blood thirst here with regard to this Maxweld discussion? I must agree that there is. It is human nature to attack those who have done others wrong. So you will see human nature pour through from time to time in these posts. It's not like any of us are happy that a fine boat builder went out of business, but it's just how he handled himself while he was going out of business. To so willingly attempt to pull even more victims down when he knew that he was finished, sheds a very scary light on these people. Total disregard for the hardships of anyone other than themselves, seems to sum it up.
Another point that I would like to address is rudmovers constant attempts at getting myself and seasiren to provide our real names. In this day and age, it isn't a good idea to provide your real name on the internet, especially while having heated exchanges with other anonymous posters. I too agree that calling a man out eye to eye is the best way to confront them for their wrongdoing, but since we're spread all over the country and Andy is somewhere in hiding, this is the best way for us to "call him out" so to speak.
I'll be the first to admit that this is all a very unfortunate. But the victim here isn't Maxweld boats, and you rudmover need to understand that. If you add up all of the money that was given to Maxweld in depsoits, and all of the parts and materials that his vendors are out, the number is astronomical. This isn't by any means a "little" glitch in his business plan, it's pretty big. And it seriously hurt people who had trusted him just like you do and we're let down.
I always find these discussions interesting. I am sure that this guy wanted to run his business in the ground and leave suppliers and customers high and dry. I am not defending the guy, I don't know him. BUT, Suppliers who extend credit to a business know the risks. Many in the prior economy did so when it wasn't prudent in an attempt to try and keep their sales going, hoping that the business they were selling to would survive. If there really was fraud. Let the court sort it out. Comments like, "The DA is looking into it" first off is heresay unless you are the DA. Second, what does looking into it mean. Even if there is an indictment, that doesn't mean he is guilty, why not wait until a guy is found guilty of something before you crucify him. I am just saying.
I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a business after you have built it over many years of hard work. But acting like the guy got off scott free is kind of silly, considering that I am sure he is in financial ruin. If he is in the Bahamas on his yacht, then I am on board with you. Let's go after him.
By the way, I am sure that they are after your name, because there are alot of slander lawsuits happening from internet chatter. My guess is that if they had your name, you might find out exactly where he is. And it could be the guy spreading internet rumors that has legal problems.
I just hate that our small boat builders are getting creamed in this economy. Sure, many probably deserve it, but I would be scared to death to start a new business knowing that if I fail I won't just lose everything I own. But get creamed on the internet by guys with no name and no responsibility for the statements that they make.
I just take no joy in seeing others failures, I guess I am no fun at all.
I always find these discussions interesting. I am sure that this guy wanted to run his business in the ground and leave suppliers and customers high and dry. I am not defending the guy, I don't know him. BUT, Suppliers who extend credit to a business know the risks. Many in the prior economy did so when it wasn't prudent in an attempt to try and keep their sales going, hoping that the business they were selling to would survive. If there really was fraud. Let the court sort it out. Comments like, "The DA is looking into it" first off is heresay unless you are the DA. Second, what does looking into it mean. Even if there is an indictment, that doesn't mean he is guilty, why not wait until a guy is found guilty of something before you crucify him. I am just saying.
I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a business after you have built it over many years of hard work. But acting like the guy got off scott free is kind of silly, considering that I am sure he is in financial ruin. If he is in the Bahamas on his yacht, then I am on board with you. Let's go after him.
By the way, I am sure that they are after your name, because there are alot of slander lawsuits happening from internet chatter. My guess is that if they had your name, you might find out exactly where he is. And it could be the guy spreading internet rumors that has legal problems.
I just hate that our small boat builders are getting creamed in this economy. Sure, many probably deserve it, but I would be scared to death to start a new business knowing that if I fail I won't just lose everything I own. But get creamed on the internet by guys with no name and no responsibility for the statements that they make.
I just take no joy in seeing others failures, I guess I am no fun at all.
Good response. Maybe it's time we all just sit back and wait to see the outcome. I have to agree with offshorehunky78...nobody spends this much time to establish themselves just so they can purposely harm their business and customers. I do feel however, that bad times do unfortunatley bring out the worse in people. Who knows what was going through their minds and why the acted the way they did. Everyone acts differently in times of desperation. There are no winners here. Everybody, including Maxweld loses.
Rudmover, so are you just a boyfriend or brother in law? You mention being both. Did you get married between your first post and uh 5th lol! I mean not really hard to get them confused.
I would'nt be in any hurry to put my name out there either. However, it really shouldn't be to hard for Andy to figure out who he was trying to take a deposit from for the specified amount just before his business collapsed. So Rudmover, if you are truley that interested just ask Andy. He's been up front with you about everything else right?
Been interesting reading. Truth will come out in due time.
I had to step back and take a few days away from the subject, and I would like to say that I was probably a bit aggressive about the name thing. I still feel the same but I can respect the reasonable fear of putting your name out on the internet. So If I was out of line I appologize for that. It's an F'd up position for those of us that know Debbie and Andy to hear these things about them. Its even more difficult to think of the possibility that these things could be true in some degree. So I choose to side with them until I'm given a concrete reason not to, and even if that happens I will do my best to support them as they are my family.
to answer the question asked earlier, I have been with My "girlfriend" for almost 12 years and consider her my wife. I have never seen the need for all that goes into a traditional marriage nor have I ever worried about what other people think constitutes my family I.E. inlaws and such. In the time we've been together we have dealt with more family drama than I care to discuss, and during those times Debbie and Andy stood with us and were everything a supportive family should be. I would also like to say that in this small community we live in they were some of if not the most active people in giving of there time and money to help with our schools and sports always promoting drug and alcohol free activities.
I say these things so those who think I've burried my head in the sand can see that I and many many others have legitimate reasons to doubt these accusations at face value. These are not the actions of the people we know. I will stand by my first post in saying that if these things are proven true I will be glad to eat crow on this subject. I think this will be my last post for a while but I'll check in periodically
rudmover. I can understand why you took such a defensive posture here. It's not easy to hear people speak so unkindly about people that you know...or think you know anyway. Remember, Bernie Madoff gave alot to his community and charities also. The problem was, the money he was giving wasn't his!
Hope some of you still visit this thread.............Im an injured party in the Maxweld mess and would very much like to talk with other injured parties to collaborate on our next steps to find recompense for damages.
I dont want to gossip, just talk with principles who have damages. I can be reached by phone at:
i almost ordered a boat from andy earlier this year, i feel sad that this happened to MAXWELD, because they were built super strong, if they get this mess cleaned up i would still consider having andy build me a boat. GOOD LUCK ANDY. ps ANYONE WHO HAS A UNFINISHED MAXWELDED BOAT,i may be a buyer for it.
I know these are old, but I really enjoyed reading all of them. I would have to say that sailor babys is the best. I love how you know so much!! Thank god for nosy little rats like you to tell us whats going on in this world!! I mean without you who knows where we would be. Now that things are settled and non of those lawsuits resulting with maxweld boats at fault I would love to hear what else you know maybe you could tell me when the company started or why? Or about that town? That county? and what maxweld boats did for it? you probably know so much more I want to hear more!! Please post. I bet it makes you feel good when you go to sleep knowing that you have torn someone or a company down. If you knew more about the company maybe we wouldnt have to listen to you cry like a baby on here.
