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Old 08-28-2009, 09:04 PM
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Default Trophy Bayliner Wood stringer & transom?

I'm looking at a 2003 Trophy model 2002 WA. Does it have wooden stringers and/or transom? THanks for your help!!!
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Greenwood XL transom, lifetime guarantee against rot with 10 years labor coverage.

One piece fiberglass stringer grid.
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Greenwood XL transom, lifetime guarantee against rot with 10 years labor coverage.

One piece fiberglass stringer grid.
Which model year did that start?
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NO ! I believe 2000 the yr Brunswick took over
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i thought brunswick bought bayliner in the late 80s?
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Greenwood XL transom, lifetime guarantee against rot with 10 years labor coverage.

One piece fiberglass stringer grid.
Ube is correct, I might add that the glass stringers are foam filled; the 2002 is a very popular boat and a great design for someone who wants plenty of fishing room in a smaller affordable package. Performs very nicely in chop for its size--no problem at all in 3-4' choppy seas.
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i thought brunswick bought bayliner in the late 80s?







Yep, Bayliner/US Marine (which included the fishing boat line of Bayliner, Trophy) was purchased by Brunswick in late '87.

The ignorance of the origin and current operating status of Trophy is amazing!

I guess that is what their high priced marketing dept is supposed to accomplish though...

How does that old saying go, "you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time".






As far as the OP's question goes, UBETRUN and erie got it right!
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A bayliner is probably just as well made as the Grady White. One has a bad rap and the other's reputation is based on fiction.
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Dem's fightin' words CB!

So my 2000 Trophy has this stringer system?
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A bayliner is probably just as well made as the Grady White. One has a bad rap and the other's reputation is based on fiction.
I've owned both and your statement is fiction.

The new ones are ok but they got the rep they deserved from the earlier boats.
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I've owned both and your statement is fiction.

The new ones are ok but they got the rep they deserved from the earlier boats.
Carb you are right to some degree; but everyone's earlier boats were suspect. Anything built prior to about 1995, give or take, was subject to shaky procedures--especially 84 to 90 when everyone was over-building and under gc-ing; and I do mean EVERYONE!
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The ignorance of the origin and current operating status of Trophy is amazing!

I guess that is what their high priced marketing dept is supposed to accomplish though...

How does that old saying go, "you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time".



Not sure what you are after with this post ABoater, Trophy's split from Bayliner in 2000 (but still under the Brunswick umbrella) isn't complicated or a secret.

Trophy and Bayliner are separate operating units and don't share hulls, construction techniques, components, etc. There may be economies of scale when Brunswick purchases raw materials but other than that, the only thing the brands share are Mercury motors.

I owned a 2003 Bayliner 242 and now own a 2004 Trophy 2902. While the Bayliner was a good boat, it was nothing like this Trophy which I'd put against any mass produced fiberglass boat on the market in terms of ride, layout for fishing, construction, and components. Trophy does not make a fancy boat but they aren't a cheaply made boat either, especially when compared to some of the horror stories on here about supposed "top tier" brands.
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^^^^^^

I agree with everything you said with the exception of them not being part of Bayliner.

If I was in the market for another fishing boat and a Trophy fit the bill, I'd buy one in a second. No problem. I think they have some of the best designed fishing boats out there.

But Trophy's are still Bayliners.

Same corporate team (not talking about the Brunswick suits), same dealer network, same warranty process (Trophy does have different/better warranty coverage), heck, even the same dealer meetings. And I still haven't been told of any stand-alone Trophy dealerships. They are sold at Bayliner dealerships.

All that I am saying (and that I have proven in past posts with names and direct phone numbers to back up my claims) is that Trophy "split" from Bayliner in marketing terms only (and I certainly don't blame them).

Trophy started out as Bayliner's fishing boat division and will always be just that.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

Just sayin'...

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I just took a 1998 18' Walkaround Trophy out for a test ride, and took a good look under the hood. When I looked under the cuddy and up under to the top bow I saw light coming in on one area where the top half mates to the hull (shoe box cover). Stepping just down and into the cuddy I lifted up the rug and under that was a rotted piece of wood. The built in fuel tank had no access cover if it needed to be replaced and in this case it did.

So I assume this year to be of poor quality, what year did they get better? Or are they now built any better??

I have looked a used Scout's and Grady's and the quality seems MUCH better.
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2000 to 2001 was the major redesign of the brand. I read somewhere that Trophy borrowed (or stole?) a design engineer from one of Brunswick's other brands and he was put in charge of the upgrades. Specific upgrades I know about since 2000:

- Vinylester gelcoat
- Greenwood XL transom
- SS thru hulls
- Armstrong brackets on bracket boats
- hull to cap bolted, glued, and riveted (no screws)
- one piece fiberglass over foam stringer grid
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2000 to 2001 was the major redesign of the brand. I read somewhere that Trophy borrowed (or stole?) a design engineer from one of Brunswick's other brands and he was put in charge of the upgrades. Specific upgrades I know about since 2000:

- Vinylester gelcoat
- Greenwood XL transom
- SS thru hulls
- Armstrong brackets on bracket boats
- hull to cap bolted, glued, and riveted (no screws)
- one piece fiberglass over foam stringer grid
Wasn't that the year (2000 to 2001) that US Marine bought the brand? Could that " Brunswick's other brand" be Robalo? I'm just basing that on the upgrades, eg. Vinylester gelcoat.
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I don't know, it was a few years ago that I read about the "borrowed" design engineer while researching Trophy before buying mine. For some reason, Boston Whaler sticks in my head but it could just be a random neuron firing.
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With all the knocks on Bayliner/Trophys, I've yet to read (that I can remember) of a boat with structural problems.
My observations on this website pretty much agree with the above post.
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I'll tell you what, in the past week I have looked at a brand new '08 Trophy 2103 and a '09 Wellcraft 210 and the Trophy appeared to be a very well built boat.

The Trophy had better wiring, better plumbing of the livewell and drains, and fit and finish that was every bit the equal of the Wellcraft.

The 210 has a little more family friendly layout, as it is a brand new design compared to the 2103 which first appeared in '03, but the Trophy is a nice boat, no doubt about it.
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