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Old 08-26-2009, 11:49 AM
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...The guy who posted the pics obviously has an axe to grind with GW. Who cares ... the market speaks for itself.

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I'd have an axe to grind as well, his pictures show the workmanship that goes into producing a GW. GW is a perfect example of perceived quality, it has nothing to do with actual quality.
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Default High Quality late model Grady

This is another picture for the Grady lovers that alway's say the newer one's are much better for fit and finnish, under the gunnel of a new 2008 23 Gulfstream on a dealers lot couldn't even completely wet out the glass with resin so they slopped some bildge coat on but just remember " It's a Grady "
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Why take a chance. Hire a good surveyor. It's money well spent.

Sounds like you know what to look for but do you know how to spot a problem in those areas? A professional will.
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All boats are manufactured, maintained and operated by humans - they will break and you will find imperfections.

All boats require maintenance and deteriorate with time. Just be sure that you understand what you are getting into and be prepared to fix yourself or pay somebody to do it for you.
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This is another picture for the Grady lovers that alway's say the newer one's are much better for fit and finnish, under the gunnel of a new 2008 23 Gulfstream on a dealers lot couldn't even completely wet out the glass with resin so they slopped some bildge coat on but just remember " It's a Grady "
Its a interesting photo, how did you get it, do you go out of your way to find problems with GW?

PS I don't own one but still think that they are well designed high quality boats.
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Its a interesting photo, how did you get it, do you go out of your way to find problems with GW?

PS I don't own one but still think that they are well designed high quality boats.
What makes GW a well designed product in your mind? I'm not being condesending, the thing is, I've seen GWs being produced & I've see what some would call "lessor" product being produce...with what I know, I'd buy the "lessor" product.
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This is another picture for the Grady lovers that alway's say the newer one's are much better for fit and finnish, under the gunnel of a new 2008 23 Gulfstream on a dealers lot couldn't even completely wet out the glass with resin so they slopped some bildge coat on but just remember " It's a Grady "
Eh, that is not a pic of dry glass, it's not structural, only cosmetic...what you are noting here is a surface that wasn't sanded smooth prior to interior gel being applied. More an indication of attention to detail.
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What makes GW a well designed product in your mind? I'm not being condesending, the thing is, I've seen GWs being produced & I've see what some would call "lessor" product being produce...with what I know, I'd buy the "lessor" product.
Design is how things work and have been layout. I have been out on a GW 33 and almost every thing has a great position and is easy to use. For example the power tray for GPS and Radar is great, the fish boxes and deck space is big and useful. I looked at a GW 30 DC and the quality of the seats and layout was outstanding. It seems like GW puts a lot of thought into the boats.
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Design is how things work and have been layout. I have been out on a GW 33 and almost every thing has a great position and is easy to use. For example the power tray for GPS and Radar is great, the fish boxes and deck space is big and useful. I looked at a GW 30 DC and the quality of the seats and layout was outstanding. It seems like GW puts a lot of thought into the boats.
This is true, GW spends alot of time on layout & amenities. Engineering isn't GW's problem, as that department does a wonderful job. What's the point of outstanding engineering if the same care & attention to detail isn't take during the manufacturing process?

For the record, the 283, 330, 336, 360 & 366 all have fiberglass over foam stringers.
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The pics were from a TWELVE year old boat that we have no idea how it was maintained/stored, etc, etc. Let's see some pics of some NON-GW TWELVE year old boats that DON'T show a little mold somewhere .... I agree that the stringers could/should be glassed, but LOTS of older boat's stringers aren't glassed.
Just the pics of the fiberglass 'crack' under the gunnel being unfinished is enough to show the motivation of the poster. It makes no difference, and won't affect anything. Period.

It's easy to bash what many perceive to be the leader ... that itself says alot.

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Listen, any builder who uses wood & doesn't totally encapsulate the stringers is foolish.
OK, then I guess that almost every single boat builder of that era was foolish ... a lot has changed in the last decade boat-building wise.
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Every boat develops issues, the only question is how severe. My former 2003 Sea Pro developed shorts in the livewell pump and fuel gauge, minor gelcoat cracks around the fuel cap, and minor cracking around deck hatch for ski storage. Does this mean Sea Pro made a bad boat? or does this reflect the kinds of maintenance issues you expect over six years of boating?

GW makes an excellent boat, well thought out with features that put value into their product. Putting my Sea Pro next to a Grady clearly demonstrates the "teiring" THT folks refer to. Both boats will have issues, and both will loose value with use, but both will deliver the pure pleasure of being on the water.

The "best boat" is the one that gets you out on the water with the safety and style you desire.
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OK, then I guess that almost every single boat builder of that era was foolish ... a lot has changed in the last decade boat-building wise.
I don't have an issue with using wood to build a boat but if you're going to use wood, then use it correctly. GW's smaller boats incorporate an eggcrate style wooden stringer grid. My issue with it is GW does not totally encapsulate what would be considered the hat-section with resin & glass. That is not a best practice...it's not even a half-assed practice. I've been building boats for over 10 yrs & not totally encapsulating a wooden structure has ALWAYS been frowned on.
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I'll repeat ... virtually ANY boat 10 or so years old used practices that 'today' are frowned upon, which you would certainly expect due to evolving construction processes, techniques, and quality of materials. I also reiterate that at 12 years old that GW looked pretty good underneath, with or without the supposed 'problem' of the knots in the gas tank cover, which is a ludicrous complaint as far as I'm concerned. The same poster posted pics of a little flaking of the fiberglass under the gunnel ... another ludicrous complaint in a production boat. If you don't like or respect GW's, fine ... don't buy one, but to imply that they're not a far above average quality boat just makes a poster look uninformed.

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I'll repeat ... virtually ANY boat 10 or so years old used practices that 'today' are frowned upon, which you would certainly expect due to evolving construction processes, techniques, and quality of materials. I also reiterate that at 12 years old that GW looked pretty good underneath, with or without the supposed 'problem' of the knots in the gas tank cover, which is a ludicrous complaint as far as I'm concerned. The same poster posted pics of a little flaking of the fiberglass under the gunnel ... another ludicrous complaint in a production boat. If you don't like or respect GW's, fine ... don't buy one, but to imply that they're not a far above average quality boat just makes a poster look uninformed.

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It is simply not true to say a boat 10 yrs old was constructed using inferior methods...wood has been used forever. What is ok to say is there is a correct way to incorporate wood use & an incorrect way. Not fully encapsulating plywood stringers is an incorrect build method, 30 yrs ago or 30 minutes ago.

Ignore the facts if you like, but when I see mold growing between pieces of plywood core I fully understand it's a case of water intrusion into said core. Water intrusion isn't good in ANY core let alone a plywood core.

I'm sorry to break it to you, just because a person perceives GW to be a high quality product doesn't make it's truth...nor do all of the JD Power awards. All the JD Power awards tell me are GW has outstanding customer service & takes care of issues very well.

The facts are, GW uses basic polyester gelcoat vs vinylester gel, DCPD resin vs vinylester & roving vs knitted fabrics. Those raw materials are average at best. Sea Fox actually uses higher quality raw materials believe it or not.

I am in complete agreement about the poorly prepped painted glass. It's really a non-issue. However, if I were paying a couple hundred grand on a 360, I would expect a little higher attention to detail.

As far as respect, I respect all of those that I have worked with in the engineering department & the outstanding work they do. I cannot respect, however, a less than stellar finished product especially when I know they have the means to do better.
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Fair enough RP, we'll just have to agree to disagree ... real nice talking/sparring with you though !! I sincerely mean that.

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Fair enough RP, we'll just have to agree to disagree ... real nice talking/sparring with you though !! I sincerely mean that.

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No worries! I never take it personally, as it's all in good fun!
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I'll repeat ... virtually ANY boat 10 or so years old used practices that 'today' are frowned upon, which you would certainly expect due to evolving construction processes, techniques, and quality of materials. I also reiterate that at 12 years old that GW looked pretty good underneath, with or without the supposed 'problem' of the knots in the gas tank cover, which is a ludicrous complaint as far as I'm concerned. The same poster posted pics of a little flaking of the fiberglass under the gunnel ... another ludicrous complaint in a production boat. If you don't like or respect GW's, fine ... don't buy one, but to imply that they're not a far above average quality boat just makes a poster look uninformed.

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Guys sorry--but I'm gonna chime in. To assume that boat building practices of 10 years ago are frowned upon is simply uninformed. To a significant degree, the assumed forward evolution of boat building practices has in essence, been to reduce cost and weight, often to the detriment of quality and stoutness. Frankly, SOME of the boat building practices of the 60's and 70's were better than they are today, simply because they didn't fully understand FRP, and overbuilt to be safe.

And though I've been running my buddy's Grady for a number of years now, in addition to my own boat(s), the public's perception (due to Grady's strong marketing) that they are "a far above average quality boat" is IMHO, is truly misguided. Again, just my opinion. For those that really understand boat building, and quality, you cannot objectively state high quality is the Grady modus operandi. Their designs are well thought out, on the surface. But peel back the veneers (sic), and the engineering/manufacturing speak for themselves.
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Some one in this thread said that Grady screws the top plate/deck to the bottom deck--is that for real?

I always thought a Grady was a good boat and still do but the creme colored gell coats is so 70s.
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