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Old 06-03-2004, 08:57 AM
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Just wondering what everyone here thought at these boats. Did a search of the archives and didnt find much. I know they arent in the class of GW, Scout, etc. but how is the value to dollar spent ratio? Especially interested in 26' WA.

Any owners here are encouraged to brag about their boats.
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Here is a little commercial for you to view.

http://mfile.akamai.com/6581/wmv/wpv...2601wa_242.asx

I like the fact that they added an enclosed head to the boat. From posts here by Hydra Sports, Wellcraft and SeaSwirl owners, it sounds like Genmar stands behind their product pretty well. Good luck
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I think you will find a number of SeaSwirl owners here on the site that are quite satisfied with their boats. I have a smaller walkaround cuddy, 1850 Striper, that I got in 1996 and have thoroughly enjoyed since we've had it. I have looked around for the last couple of years at new boats and always try to see how they compare with the SeaSwirl line. I also realize that a SeaSwirl is not a Grady, Boston Whaler, Pursuit, Contender, but I do feel it is a very good mid-tier boat that provides a good value for the dollars spent.
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So far 23 hours on the boat and I have been very happy with everything. Plenty of storage and a nice comfortable and dry ride.
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I have an older Seaswirl (1991) 19' Sierra Cuddy Classic that I just recently purchased a few months ago. Some insight from someone who has an older 'swirl: I love it so far. The boat had one previous owner and he took great care of the engine (4.3L OMC Cobra I/O) and great care of the boat itself. No cracks in the fiberglass or gelcoat problems and everything has held up well. The teak on the cuddy doors and everything still look good. the gauges are all original gauges and all still work. The only problem I've had so far was a pinhole in the fuel tank was causing a leak into the bilge. And that can happen with any 13 y.o. boat. I know that Seaswirl now makes a much nicer boat than the one I have but there arent many Seaswirl owners out there it seems so I thgouht I'd give you my .02.
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I have a 1997 2150 w/a that I bought brandie new. Boat is solid built, takes the seas well, & never had to bring it to the dealer for anything believe it or not. ps get the hard top its worth it.
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I just bought a 1994 Striper 210 W/A w/ hardtop option. It's got a Ford 302 with the OMC Conbra OD. So far, (1 WE staying at beach and numerous runs) it's been great. I didn't search much, but the searching I did the owners loved them. They realized that it wasn't the high Bling factor as a Grady, but people were just as happy. The people I've met at the dock seem to agree. Had it out on a pretty rough day and she handled lights years better than an older boat I had. Pretty dry too if chop isn't big and you are not going perpendicular to waves (duhh).
It' the right kind of boat for my GF and I. This is my 1st personal boat and I'm 26 yrs old. My family has had boats in the past and this surpasses the previous ones in quality and handling and paower...
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I had a '94 210 w/a that I sold last year. The only problem I had was a minor gelcoat crack under the hardtop mount which was immediately taken care of. The boat rode exceeding well in any sea. I got caught in stuff I would never have gone out in and never felt compromised. My wife loved it and we got our moneys' worth. Dollar for dollar, it's an excellent buy. My buddy has a 2001 23' w/a which I've ridden in and run together with offshore. The boat definitely impressed me. Yes, it's not a Grady or Scout, but you could do other things with the money saved. When I was looking, I would have looked at the 29' Striper if there were a dealer near me.
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Codfisher,

I am on my 3rd season fishing out of my 2002 Seaswirl Striper 2101 W/A and love the boat. I take it out 45 miles for Albacore Tuna and make 20 mile runs for Salmon. I also fish S.F. Bay which is notorious for it's afternoon wind chop. The boat has the range and hull to handle the conditions without any problems. I like the deep hull & large gas tank. The hatches and railing are lower quality but the rest of the boat is well built. You can ask other 2601 owners questions on the Seaswirl Owners Group web site.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seaswirl_striper/
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:15 PM
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Very popular boat out here, where they're made....I have a 2000 23' Striper WA that appears to be designed by a fisherman (or at least they copied the good parts).**Now in my 4th year, I have some minor gell coat crazing around a few screws and had a leak in the cabin from*the w/s (a call to the factory provided a quick fix* a]raise the w/s gasket,*b] squirt in gook, c] put back gasket).* Have a 200 Johnson, wish I had more HP, better fuel efficiency.* The boat came standard with about a bazillion nice amenities: fish boxes (alas, not insulated), 2 batteries, deck washdown, radio, etc., and I've added more pole holders, cleats, etc.* http://www.seaswirl.com/Boats/Boats_...PG.asp?bid=105

Guy @ the factory told me my boat (and larger Stripers) were intended to go out over the Columbia River bar, also known as the "Graveyard of the Pacific."* I don't intend to ever test*the design there, but upstream, it does perform well in Columbia swells, chops. When I'm not fishing, I put in a lot of hours for the CG Aux, so it gets used almost all year round.

I fish in*a couple of buddys'*Grady & Trophy.* The Grady is a 28 I/O (lots quieter, more fuel efficient), so maybe not a good comparison. It*has some*nicer finishing touches in some areas, not*as*nice in others. I'm not qualified to speak to the differences in the construction between a Grady & Striper, but for what it's worth,*his doesn't seem to handle Columbia River gorge winds any better nor any worse.* The Trophy is a 23' OB, the same year as mine, and has lots of "issues;"* my Striper easily comes out*better in that comparison.* Never seen or heard of a Scout (except on this forum), so can't compare with them.
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:29 PM
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Thanks for all the reviews. Got a line on a 2002 26'WA which is a lot less $ than other boats I have been considering. Although I love fishing in the spring and summer, come fall I'm off to the woods bow hunting for 3 months. I have been thinking this might be a wiser choice instead of sinking $75K+ into a boat that I will only use 5-6 months a year.

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seaswirl is a genmar company....tough to beat them right now.
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Old 06-03-2004, 02:53 PM
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I currently have a 2003 2301wa with twin 135hp Evinrudes, hardtop full canvas enclosure,etc... This is my second season w/it and I love it. Hardware is not the best, bow rails are a little flimsy, and " non-skid surfaces " are just a gritty substance added into the gel coat, as opposed to a nicer moulded in diamond pattern non-skid. what you do get is a very nice looking, great riding, and well laid out fishing /cruising boat for many thousands less than the " top of the line brands". my boat before this one was a 2001 2301cc with a 225hp Johnson, t-top etc... and I loved that one too, never had any problems with either. I also have a friend who just traded in his 2001 1801cc with a 115 Johnson for a 2004 2101cc with a 200hp Evinrude & t-top. He has been very pleased with both of his Seaswirls also
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Codfisher - 6/3/2004 2:29 PM

Thanks for all the reviews. Got a line on a 2002 26'WA which is a lot less $ than other boats I have been considering. Although I love fishing in the spring and summer, come fall I'm off to the woods bow hunting for 3 months. I have been thinking this might be a wiser choice instead of sinking $75K+ into a boat that I will only use 5-6 months a year.

Thanks again.
5-6 months!! Wow, I envy you.. Round here we're lucky to squeek out 4.....
hence the used boat or I'd go New all the way
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Just sold a 1989 18' CC that made over 500 trips in rough water. After this much abuse, I started to see a few items, that you may look for on your used boat, although Seaswirl might have found a way to fix them on the newer models, and what I say may not be the case now.
Things that worried me:
The Outer and inner hull were fatened with sheet metal screws under the rub rail without any other bonding material. I had to remove the rubber on the rub rail about every two years to retighten the screws that would loosen up, and added about an equal number of aluminum rivits between the screws to beef this up after siliconing. This kept working loose though, and the screws would have fallen out if it hadn't beed for the rail rubber that pevented it.
My model did not self bail, and as a result the pumps had to be replaced frequently (8 in 13 years). It was also located behind the battery which made for a blind uncomfortable access. Since she did not self bail, evey piece of fishing line, penut, etc usually found its way into the impellar.
I started to see chunks for foam in the bilge indicating that this was also coming loose with the flexing of the inner hull against the outer hull.
The floor section with the integrated console was screwed into untreated 4'X4" and the screws would loosen constantly with the strain of the ttop and the leverage on the seat posts. This eventually cracked the floor.

I am not trying to steer you away from Striper, but to point out a few areas where some preventative maintenance might be a good investment before you start to put a lot of hours on her.
I really used this boat alot, and felt that the time had come to sell her as I was pushing the envelope asking an old bay boat to go 25 miles offshore for billfish and tuna evry weekend.
Good luk on your purchase.
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I have a year 2000 Seaswirl Striper 2100 walkaround outboard(150 Johnson carb). I won't get into the motor since that is not the post. Mid-tier is the best way to describe the hull. The non skid (diamond pattern)is flawed in several spots. The transom is made of wood and had a wet spot due to faulty installation of the speedo pickup which was done at the factory. The gelcoat seems to be nice and shiney. The hull slams pretty hard unless you push the bow down with near full tabs(still slams) in anything more than a foot of chop. The rubrail keeps pulling away from the hull near the pulpit. The windshield leaks. The cheesy seastrainer(plastic)cracked and almost sunk the boat(and killed us!) in 37 degree water 12 miles out(Thanks USCG Marblehead!).

Don't get me wrong, the hull is OK. Average is my evaluation.
I do get compliments on the rising sheer of the hull and the general "fishy"appearance.
It is an efficient hull in that it planes well with minimal power, the hull has a lot of lift from the hard reverse chine and lifting strakes. Bilge access is terrible. To get to the bilge pump you have to be a contortionist. Can see it its a "feel for it situation". Also, the seacock for the baitwell/washdown pump is hidden and must be felt to use it.
Baitwell and storage is not insulated.
If I could go back in time I would never buy a seaswirl. I would probabally buy a used alloy boat that wont rot and is less maintenance.

on a scale of 1-10 I give her a 5. But to put my opinion into perspective I only give a Pursuit a 7 and a Grady maybe a 7. I have yet to see the Pacific alloy boats in person but that boat appeals to me. No wood to rot, low maintenace, lighter weight.

Oh yeah, the scuppers backwash onto the deck with only a couple passengers(rated for 8!).

There have been improvements since Genmar bought them. But, it still is a mid tier boat. JM2C Paul
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For the price you will not find a better boat.

Keep in mind that I am saying for the price. The Seaswirl is a mid tier boat. Genmar made a good decision to spend the money on ride quality and fisherman accomodations. The SS rails, and all the white plastic doors leave a lot to be desired. BUT who cares I am out there in the rough stuff moving along just as good as the same size GWs and BWs and Robalos.

I now have 18 hours on my new 24ft Seaswirl 2301 walk around. Don't skimp on horse power (I opted for the I/O (Volvo Penta 5.0 GXi)) these boats are heavy. The 5.0 GXi has some serious giddy up to it and great fuel economy to boot. I am talking 3.3 miles to the gallon at cruise (27mph) and 2.2 at WOT which is very respectable 43-45mph.

Every trip out I appreciate the boat more and more. The first trip out you will realize that you no longer fear getting tossed around in 3 - 4 foot waves. The boat is unbelievably stable and dry. Then you will realize that you don't have to motor out at 15 mph because choppy seas. Don't be afraid to move your speed up to 22 - 25mph (with proper trimming of course) in 3-4 foot choppy seas you skim across the top of the chop. Yes, once in a while you will pound but what do you expect? 22 - 25mph over a 3 - 4 foot chop will pound any boat in this class, but you won't pound a lot. Then when you finally get over the great performance and stability of the boat you will start to appreciate the fisherman comforts. First thing that I noticed was that you can fish 4 guys easily, the cockpit is roomy in spite of the eurotransom (which I am beginning to like, I hated it at first but it was a good family feature for the wife and 3 yr old son.). Then other things like lots of rod holders, the live well, the amount of storage area, fresh water / salt water washdown, comfortable coaming pads, and generous free board (great for the 3yr old fisherman). And believe it or not I just pinned this one down on my last trip. . . . the grip surface on the fiber glass gunwhales. You can place one butt cheek on the gunwhale and you will not slide at all. Plant both cheeks and the boat can roll over and you still won't move . You get the idea.

I am so happy with the boat's performance, external looks, and functionality. I decided to do something about the only thing that I don't like about the boat, the cockpit. I am going to dress the boat's cockpit up myself. I want to get rid of the cheesey plastic doors and replace them with teak. I just got the teak this morning almost 16 board feet of it. I can dress the boat up nice with that amount of teak! I will be cutting a drawer into storage compartment under the captain's and passengers seat. I will replace the cheesey white plastic doors with teak doors and trim. I will also replace the cabin door with a teak door and teak foot grips on each step. After that is done not only will it perform similarly to GWs, BWs, and Robalos in the same size class it will look almost as good.

PS. I can't afford to replace the SS rails this year, but you can bet next season they will be replace with much much much much better quality SS railing.

Even with all this you must remember it is still a Seaswirl (Mid Tier boat)

Seaswirl Paul: "The hull slams pretty hard unless you push the bow down with near full tabs(still slams) in anything more than a foot of chop."

I have the 2301 (2003 leftover 0 hours at purchase). I don't know how you can get the boat to pound in 1 footers. But I do know how to get water in through the scuppers. . . . improper trimming. Maybe that's why you pound in 1 footers. Do you have trim tabs set right?

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SEEMS THAT THEY ARE EQUAL TO A TROPHY IN QUALITY?
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Now Davey,

Trophy has come a long ways since the days and reputation of old, however, Trophy's ride doesn't come close to Seaswirl. I know because I test drove both in snotty conditions. . . . . .Hence, I own a Seaswirl.

Trophy is working towards a better reputation but they really can't be compared to the Seaswirl. The Seaswirl has much thicker Gel Coat and Seaswirl is more stable on rough water. Something to do with the chines. Also, the dead rise on the Seaswirl is designed for stability in rough water without killing you at drift. The boat is engineered better than the Trophy.

Though I do like the finish of the Trophy a little better

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In 2001 Genmar changed the shape of the Seaswirl Striper hull. They went to a 20 degree deadrise and a deeper bow with a sharper entry on the 21.5ft model. This makes for a smoother ride in chop. The 2001 2101 W/A is 425 lbs heavier than the 2000 model.

Seaswirl Paul are you talking about the pickup an the bottom of the boat for the washdown & bait tank that failed? Mine is bronze? Can you elaborate on what happened? How did you keep the boat from sinking?

Looneytunes be sure to post lots of pictures of your teak upgrades. Sounds like nice improvements.
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