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Old 08-19-2009, 05:47 PM
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Default Formula vs Sea Ray

Not an express cruiser lover, but having said that, I need a dispute settled.
Looking for any input on, and comparisons to the Formula 34 PC and any Sea Ray in the same class.
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RE-Sale ?
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Personally, I think the resale for a Sea Ray is better because there is a bigger market for them. Both boats have similar performance. Neither boat is known for its superb quality, but I think I'd give the Sea Ray a slight edge on that also.
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I would have gone the exact opposite- SeaRay's are pretty - but are a value boat - Formula seems to have a bit more to it. I have not looked at pricing in awhile - but Formulas seem to be a bit more money as well.
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I'd have to vote on Formula on this one. I think Sea Ray has a name for itself because it's very well known and cost effective. Re-sale - well there are millions of them out there. They make a good boat and it gets a lot of people on the water.
Forumla builds a really good boat and actually most people don't even realize it because I think the company stays a bit low-key compared to the other builders out there.
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i think that the fit and finish is better on the sea ray
formula is a sportier boat, but the buyer of this genre of boats isn't really looking for sporty
both are good boats, i just lean toward sea ray
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Performance: Formula, not close (Formula hulls are designed to go fast.)
Quality: Formula, not close (couple examples are better wiring and better hull-deck joint - Formulas are through bolted using aluminum backing plates.)
Resale: Probably Sea-Ray, better name recognition and bigger market.

For what it's worth, I don't have a dog in the hunt - I have a Wellcraft (which I think is inferior to Formula and about on par with Sea-Ray in the quality department.

Just my $0.02...
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I think a Formula will tend to hold it's value better and is generally a bit better quality. However, they are more of a nitch market. Sea Ray does a bit of everything and does it well.

Edit: I think Formulas will hold their value better for exactly the reason Mully describes. There are more of them out there to choose from. There are less Formulas and some people really want one.
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Performance: Formula, not close (Formula hulls are designed to go fast.)
Quality: Formula, not close (couple examples are better wiring and better hull-deck joint - Formulas are through bolted using aluminum backing plates.)
Resale: Probably Sea-Ray, better name recognition and bigger market.

For what it's worth, I don't have a dog in the hunt - I have a Wellcraft (which I think is inferior to Formula and about on par with Sea-Ray in the quality department.

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Sea Ray 34 Sundancer Cruise speed 28 mph - .9 mpg
Formula 34 PC Cruise speed 28 mph - .9 mpg

I would call that similar performance. People that buy these hulls tend to cruise. Wide open the Formula is 5 mph quicker. Different year models and different engine options will produce different results. I've never seen a Sea Ray with wiring issues or issues with the hull/deck joint. Their wiring might not be as pretty as some but it is effective.

I don't have a dog in this hunt either. I have worked on both Formulas and Sea Rays. New Formulas are typically "flashy" and bring a higher price. When they age their price drops significantly. I don't want either, but if I was going to buy one it would be a Sea Ray.
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Anybody know why Searay chose to slope their hull/deck joints down towards the transom? It just seems like an akward design to me. Right about the point where you'd begin to use the rubrail to pivot back into a slip, the joint is about a foot above the waterline. Then, because the rubrail slopes up toward the bow, it looks like there would be more stress to the rubrail when compared to every other boat in the World where the rubrail runs parallel to the water line. Plus, the rubrail on those boats look pretty frail. And if it fails, it's located where sea water is constantly splashing around . . .

Not sure if this is a real issue or it just looks that way.
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There's one thing Sea Ray does better than Formula. That's MARKETING. They do it a LOT better.
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Anybody know why Searay chose to slope their hull/deck joints down towards the transom? It just seems like an akward design to me. Right about the point where you'd begin to use the rubrail to pivot back into a slip, the joint is about a foot above the waterline. Then, because the rubrail slopes up toward the bow, it looks like there would be more stress to the rubrail when compared to every other boat in the World where the rubrail runs parallel to the water line. Plus, the rubrail on those boats look pretty frail. And if it fails, it's located where sea water is constantly splashing around . . .

Not sure if this is a real issue or it just looks that way.

Not sure why they do it, but it effectively keeps the stern of the boat from getting scraped up on poorly designed docks.
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Anybody know why Searay chose to slope their hull/deck joints down towards the transom?
They did it to catch up to te competition.
Because as usual, they were late to the party. Four Winns had a similar design several years before Sea Ray woke up and smelled the coffee. Same with windshield pass through bow access, SR took several years to add this to a number of their express cruisers, FW has offered this on all most of the express cruisers since the 90's.

I would take the Formula over the Sea Ray any day. Sea Rays do hold their value, and they are everywhere, but overall, I feel the Formula is a better built boat, despite the premium cost.
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Formula 34PC seems to weigh 15,710 compared to SR 340SD at around 13,000.

If the numbers are correct, then there's a lot of extra heft in the Formula; making for a softer ride and stronger superstructure.

That combined with more exclusivity would give them better re-sale value, IMO.
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No question.....Formula! Very solid.......

Tap a Formula's hull sides with your knuckle from the waterline up to the gunnel and you will know what I mean. I'll take the extra weight for a solid hull like that any day!
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......but I wouldn't buy one because they don't offer a configuation that I like. I want something with some deck space and a hardtop and/or flybridge. Not just a flashy "sportboat" that looks like most boats out there......
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Let's face it- the ultimate test of a boat's build is how many decades it's in service. That's why you still see a bunch of 1960's and '70's Berts, Hatts, and Chris's on the water when they're 4 decades old.

I've owned my twenty-four year old SR for three years now- long enough to say that, for a production boat, they build a solid boat. I have had zero hull issues, and every piece of joinery in the boat still fits tight, there's no cheap tabbing that's torn loose, and the hull's every bit as strong as the day she left the factory. She's no dock queen- fished her 60 miles offshore two weekends ago.

I get a kick when I see the posts knocking SR's on this board. Should be a requirement that you can't bash a boat brand- ANY brand- unless you personally own it. Too much unsubstantiated bs around here.

Never owned a Formula, so I can't comment...
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I get a kick when I see the posts knocking SR's on this board. Should be a requirement that you can't bash a boat brand- ANY brand- unless you personally own it. Too much unsubstantiated bs around here.

Never owned a Formula, so I can't comment...

This is the same for the Luhrs Bashers - How many people bash them and have never even been on one, let alone owned one.

By the way - I have owned a Forumla (a 1987 cuddy cabin. I think it was a 223 or 233, something like that). It was very well built for a small boat, however the boat had a cracked hull when I purchased it. Dang dealer bottom painted right over the crack. An no I didn't get a survey done on a 10,000 boat. Dealer took care of all the damage when I called them the next day and told them the boat was taken on water and sinking by the next morning. I didn't take it out the first day it splash, it was just put into the slip.
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I get a kick when I see the posts knocking SR's on this board. Should be a requirement that you can't bash a boat brand- ANY brand- unless you personally own it. Too much unsubstantiated bs around here.







What???

You mean you only want "learned personal experiences" expressed here?

On the internet??? The land of jackazz guesses and speculation???

Good luck with that!





Oh, and BTW, the answer the OP's question (and going by his specs)... Sea Ray.

And yes, I've owned both...
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