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Thanks for posting photos, by my eye it looks a little high but as has been said every boat - motor combination is different. Is that copper base anti-fouling paint on your bracket? It appears badly corroded, aluminum, copper, and seawater are not compatible.
Hey MCC113, I am entitled to have my view, this is America The Land of The Free, so I am free to make reasonable comments.
So why don't you go somewhere and make them? Haven't seen anything even remotely reasonable from you here. Bascially, you don't know what you are talking about.
Or are you suggesting that if you were in my place you would pack a six hundred pound motor up and ship it to another country rather than try to fix it yourself? Or you would call up a Yamaha dealer two countries and 700 miles over and ask them to fly their mechanic to you with all his tools, at your expense. how does that work? You pay the hourly rate from the time he leaves the US until he returns? What's that, lets see, four days times 24 hours a day times what, $ 100 an hour? Who picks up his hotel and airfare? You?
I calculate roughly $12,000. You do have to feed him, you know. Two hundred bucks a night hotel. Lets not forget that.
And what do I have for that $ 12K? A list of the parts I need to order.
You might have your way of doing things on Long Island. You might call a "pro" for every little thing that goes wrong in your life.
So why don't you go somewhere and make them? Haven't seen anything even remotely reasonable from you here. Bascially, you don't know what you are talking about.
Or are you suggesting that if you were in my place you would pack a six hundred pound motor up and ship it to another country rather than try to fix it yourself? Or you would call up a Yamaha dealer two countries and 700 miles over and ask them to fly their mechanic to you with all his tools, at your expense. how does that work? You pay the hourly rate from the time he leaves the US until he returns? What's that, lets see, four days times 24 hours a day times what, $ 100 an hour? Who picks up his hotel and airfare? You?
I calculate roughly $12,000. You do have to feed him, you know. Two hundred bucks a night hotel. Lets not forget that.
And what do I have for that $ 12K? A list of the parts I need to order.
You might have your way of doing things on Long Island. You might call a "pro" for every little thing that goes wrong in your life.
What's that got to do with me?
What you should do is get the pro's on this site to help you. It looks like that was happening on page one of this thread but then the help stopped, why I am not sure?
You need to clearly outline what problem you are having and post the various photo's of the engine. I can't even remember what the photo's of the cylinders look like? How did the plugs look after the last run, did you put new ones in? The last thing you should do is jumping out parts of the fuel system. My Honda engines display trouble codes with a cheap/simple light maybe you can do the same thing with the Yamaha? This is a complex engine that needs to be treated with care, jumping things out will only make things worse. Did you check with Yamaha regarding recalls, you might luck out and have a recall on the fuel pump or some other part that is causing the problem. Lots things you can do, but you need to do them in a orderly process.
I do a fair bit of my own work but know when things are over my ability or I don't have the right tools.
Or you would call up a Yamaha dealer two countries and 700 miles over and ask them to fly their mechanic to you with all his tools, at your expense. how does that work? You pay the hourly rate from the time he leaves the US until he returns? What's that, lets see, four days times 24 hours a day times what, $ 100 an hour? Who picks up his hotel and airfare? You?
I thought you said there was a dealer on your island that you used one time and he worked on your boat for a couple of hours. He had not fixed by then so you told him to leave??
Hey V........why not cut Gringo a little slack. In case you didn't read the whole thread, he literally lives in the middle of nowhere, and the local Yamaha dealer service knowledge begins and ends at carbed 2-strokes.
I have found the thread worthwhile. Think about it........how to help trouble shoot a Z300 HPDI with no specialized tools, little HPDI knowledge and the best thing is you can poke fun at Gringo and it doesn't even bother him!
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Unfortunately, cleaning the VST filter did not seem to affect how it runs. It accelerated pretty well, right onto plane and got up to 5,000 rpm for about ten seconds, then got ragged and the rpms dropped back down to the 3800-4000 RPM range. So we brought it home.
Any more info on this? What happens if you idle around for a while and then hammer it again. Will it come up to 5 grand for another few seconds or does it bog down first. Have the lift pumps been changed?
and if the right tools do not exist in the country you are in, do you give up?
And if you judge something is outside your ability, do you also give up on that and say, in effect, that you have already learned everything in life that you are ever going to learn, and that this is just beyond you? I cannot identify with that attitude.
And you, amigo, should never try to live in a third world country.
Now, as for the local Yamaha dealer, that was on a different boat, different engine. I didn't tell him to leave. He just said he didn't know what the problem was, and left.
The problem turned out to be a loose spark plug. Draw your own conclusions.
the Yamaha guys here don't work on HPDIs. At all. They don't know them, have never worked on them, and do not stock parts for them. Any of them. They do a lot of work on simple two strokes and are probably up to speed on the four strokes. But not HPDI. They do not import them here. You cannot find one to buy here.
Hey V........why not cut Gringo a little slack. In case you didn't read the whole thread, he literally lives in the middle of nowhere, and the local Yamaha dealer service knowledge begins and ends at carbed 2-strokes.
I have found the thread worthwhile. Think about it........how to help trouble shoot a Z300 HPDI with no specialized tools, little HPDI knowledge and the best thing is you can poke fun at Gringo and it doesn't even bother him!
Not trying to poke fun, just think that he needs to go slow and follow directions from you step by step. Did you run his engine does it have open recalls? Did he check the compression, what do you think it is?
If you are willing to help it could be very informative to all of us.
Gringo and I have been emailing back and forth. He is located in a place that has literally no qualified service and no specialized tools. So the way he is going about it is the best he can do with what he has. That part has been the most frustrating for me, because I could walk up to the boat, tools in hand and have at it. He doesn't have the same tools, so its been a challenge for me to make suggestions and help him try and figure it all out. Others here have helped him alot as well. And Gringo is no slouch either. He is really good at finding things to "make do". Its what they have to do down there.
I won't post sometimes on this thread because the suggestions would not be something I would want associated with my name on a public forum. In the end, we are still a Yamaha USA dealer and a independent representative for them.
As far as the bulletin on Gringo's, I am sure I ran it for him way back when he got the boat, but I can't recall if they did the update before he got it. That being said, the update was done on as needed basis, and there are plenty of Z250-Z300's out there running just fine with no updates. And of course, there have been some problems too. Him having it or getting it is irrelevant because of his location and warranty status.
So in the end.....Gringo is still in the middle of gods country with a problem Z300 and I'll continue to help him the best I can. I'll do that until he gets it fixed, or he blo's it up!
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Need to read the whole thread! Compression was back on page 9!
BTW Gringo, just did the whole filter change and replaced the low pressure pumps on our 250 HPDI and guess what? It won't run!!! For some reason the ground interupt from the ecm (via the fuel pump relay) to the medium pressure pump in the vst tank has decided to go on vacation (the pump works fine when grounded to the engine). Thanks to Andy at SIM for the diagnostic help. Just haven't had the time to chase the ground problem yet due to the wonderful weather we've been having up here the last two weekends. Good Luck. I feel for you!
Na.......So far its only been chewing gum, toothpicks and Krazy glue. Minimal cost.
Thank god LaGringo put the k-bosh on Gringo hoaring out the bicycle tire pump gauge.
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Na.......So far its only been chewing gum, toothpicks and Krazy glue. Minimal cost.
Thank god LaGringo put the k-bosh on Gringo hoaring out the bicycle tire pump gauge.
Krazy Glue! Wow, I remember Krazy Glue! Gosh, I wonder if anyone imports that here...
Funny thing about her precious bicycle pump, I can't find it. I swear it was hanging on my workshop wall when I mentioned to her that I might have to modify it...
anyhow, I ran down to the NAPA store this afternoon. I was there two weeks ago looking for a fuel pressure guage. Guess what? They still don't have one in stock. These kinds of things take weeks here.
So I did buy a tire pressure guage, one of those cylindrical metal ones that clip in your pocket protector. I figured if the gas fumes ate it, well, it was $ 12 for the cause.
But it won't measure the VST pressure. The little thingum that pushes the Shraeder valve pin to open it isn't long enough, or something. So, back to the drawing board on that one. I still have no way to measure the fuel pressure past the VST pump. yet.
I am kinda making the assumption that if the motor will run at 4,000 RPM, the 50 psi it takes to even start and idle is probably there.
I am a little leery of spending $ 400 for a system that may tell me I need to spend another $ 700 or $ 1000 for a fuel pump....
Did you know there are five fuel pumps on this beast?
I understand that why I suggested renting it.
The fact that it has five fuel pumps underlines the difficulty of fixing this engine unless you have the right tools.
Ya but once you have the software, you have the software. Once its installed, you don't need the disc anymore.
I would have to rent out a computer with it installed. Now thats an idea.
I don't think Gringo's issue will be something YDS could help with........well at least not at the present time. Its a great tool, but its not the answer to all Yamaha engine problems.
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V70, You justdon't seem to understand. Let me try to break this down for you.
THERE ARE NO HPDI TOOLS IN THIS NATION I LIVE IN.
NONE FOR SALE. NONE TO RENT. NONE TO BEG, BORROW, OR STEAL.
Do you know the little hose clamp clips they use on the fuel lines from the VST to the HP pumps? And the special pliers they use to crimp those? Forget them. Act like they don't exist. to me, they don't.
I have the ONLY HPDI 300 in the Turks and Caicso Islands.
THERE ARE NO HPDI PARTS HERE.
No filters. No pumps. No injectors. NO sparkplugs.
Yeah, that's right. NO sparkplugs to fit it. Not even one, outside my garage.
THERE ARE NO HPDI TECHNICIANS HERE.
The Yamaha mechanics here have only seen HPDI motors in the Yamaha brochures.
This is what I have to work with.
You First suggested I hire a pro. Now you are suggesting I rent equipment that, to my knowledge, is not available for rent anywhere. You obviously have no clue about importing and exporting things through customs. Renting equipment from another country? There's no way to guarantee that it won't stay here. What's it's replacement value? You ready to pay 33% duty on that?
Once its installed, you don't need the disc anymore.
